No Fog Over Munich

Thande

Donor
Like most of your TLs, this is excellent, and keep up the good work.

The only thing is, your "bitesize" update style makes it hard to read the whole thing all in one go - have you considered periodically collating the TL and posting it all in one go, either in a post here or in the TLS & Scenarios forum?
 
In fact, some of the troops on the Northern end of the front had been told not to accidentally penetrate Sweden, such was the confidence. Around Viipuri in particular, the Soviets were expecting an easy ride.
Actually they don't have to reach Sweden,
OTL the Swedish General in charge of the northern area along the border planed to take his 6 divisions across and attack the Russians if they reached within 'X' miles of the Border. IIRC the Russians were stopped 20 miles short.
 
Like most of your TLs, this is excellent, and keep up the good work.

The only thing is, your "bitesize" update style makes it hard to read the whole thing all in one go - have you considered periodically collating the TL and posting it all in one go, either in a post here or in the TLS & Scenarios forum?

I have considered it, but I'm frequently posting this from different computers as I'm often working away. I might give it another go at some point soon.
 
Actually they don't have to reach Sweden,
OTL the Swedish General in charge of the northern area along the border planed to take his 6 divisions across and attack the Russians if they reached within 'X' miles of the Border. IIRC the Russians were stopped 20 miles short.

That's interesting, I didn't know that!
 
On the night of 12th December 1939, at Salterstown in County Louth, an aircraft appeared and parachuted a number of boxes into a field. These boxes were retrieved by a cell of IRA volunteers, and were provided by the German government for use against targets north of the border.

Unfortunately for the IRA men, An Garda Siochana were well aware of the plot, as British intelligence had found out and passed on the details. The men were surrounded and a firefight broke out. 2 Gardai died, and 8 of the 12 IRA men were killed, the remainder being caught.

De Valera now had the excuse he needed to act on his fears. The same night, using emergency powers, the high-ranking southern command of the IRA were arrested, notably Stephen Hayes, who was in charge whilst the IRA Chief of Staff Sean Russell was in America. It was this act which effectively tore the IRA in two, and also caused enormous problems for the S-Plan sabotage campaign in Britain.
 
I wonder - will this have some short lasting impact on the Irish during the war - not to join the Allied camp but perhaps to view the Allies/British differently from OTL. Depends of course on events in Ulster and Britain.
Long lasting impacts - a different perception in Ulster of the Catholics due to the crackdown during the War... Just a different perception, whatever that might lead to.

With de Valera cracking down on the IRA he may be facing some terrorism - seen as a traitor to the Irish cause. One thing to round up stolen ammo, another to fight the IRA actively.
 
Other than in Finland, the rest of December 1939 was remarkably quiet. De Valera's round-up of senior IRA men had spread such disarray that, even though Sean Russell was free, co-ordination was difficult, especially as many operatives were currently engaged in sabotage missions in Britain. The Germans were dismayed, and began to hold 'Dev' in a mix of contempt and hate. The British, however, were somewhat encouraged by the attitude of their erstwhile enemy.

The Finns were doing shockingly well, mainly because of the harshness of the winter. As the New Year approached, the Russians were still struggling to make much headway.

The real major next stage in the war came on 4th January 1940, in a move which had been kept quiet for some time, and which came as a vast surprise to almost all of the parties involved. Demanded by Raeder and encouraged by Goering, Keitel agreed to the operation of a plan designed to strategically control the Baltic and threaten Norway.

At dawn, German troops crossed into Jutland. The occupation of Denmark had begun. The troops raced towards northern Jutland, a tank corps ploughing towards Aalborg in an effort to cut off a major link to the mainland. By 10 o'clock that morning, the Danish government had decided it was best to surrender-taken by such surprise, it had little choice.

Raeder was overjoyed. His plan now was to build U-Boat pens at Esbjerg, Noerby and other coastal settlements. But what was not on the cards, despite Allied fears and Vidkun Quisling's hopes, was an assault on Norway.
 
Raeder was overjoyed. His plan now was to build U-Boat pens at Esbjerg, Noerby and other coastal settlements. But what was not on the cards, despite Allied fears and Vidkun Quisling's hopes, was an assault on Norway.

Ehm, the waters off the west coast of Jutland especially the Vadehav at Esbjerg is quite shallow, I doubt any submarine commander would like to get in there confined to narrow canals.

Whats Noerby (Nørby)? Nørby, Fanø?

You know the fishermen dragged their boats up on shore untill well into the '70 ties on the west coast of Jutland. IMHO it really sucks as a submarine lair.

Why would the Germans relinquish Norway. Their Naval planning since WWI had envisioned Jutland-Norway as one region. Having only Denmark they are essentially still bottled-up in the Baltic!
But you don't want the western arms transports through Norway being cut off - is that it? :D
 
Ehm, the waters off the west coast of Jutland especially the Vadehav at Esbjerg is quite shallow, I doubt any submarine commander would like to get in there confined to narrow canals.

Whats Noerby (Nørby)? Nørby, Fanø?

You know the fishermen dragged their boats up on shore untill well into the '70 ties on the west coast of Jutland. IMHO it really sucks as a submarine lair.

Why would the Germans relinquish Norway. Their Naval planning since WWI had envisioned Jutland-Norway as one region. Having only Denmark they are essentially still bottled-up in the Baltic!
But you don't want the western arms transports through Norway being cut off - is that it? :D

It is indeed Nørby, just can't get the right letters there!

Yep, suspected it wasn't great coast (haven't been to Jutland, my only experiences on water in Denmark were on a lake in Lyngby!) but the strategic and psychological advantage of occupying that coast was in my mind.

Keitel, Hess and Raeder do not, at this juncture, care about Norway. What they care about is France. Taking Denmark is, essentially, an attempt to draw off the Allies with the fear that Norway is going the same way.
 
The swift collapse of Denmark shocked Britain and worried the French. Was Norway next? Almost certainly.

In Parliament, Chamberlain was forced to make a statement that "we shall not let Hess' war machine crush the Norwegians". The French, though, were now increasingly concerned that the Germans meant to go for them next.

Their fears were not allayed when two politicians, one from neutral Belgium and one from the neutral Netherlands, met at Maastricht on 7th January 1940. The Dutch Nazi leader Anton Mussert, and his Flemish extremist counterpart Staf de Clerq, publicly agreed on a joint strategy to unite their nations into a Greater Netherlands. Neither was anywhere near power, but there was a strong suspicion that an external force, based not too far from Maastricht, would provide the money and maybe even the force to help achieve this.

NB: IOTL, both Mussert and de Clerq wanted this-but Hitler did not want an enlarged Netherlands. Keitel and co, however, want a self-governing but tightly allied state on their wing.
 
LoL!
In a canoe with a girl. ;)

You should go to Jutland quite a difference from Sjaelland.

Haha! Actually my parents sent me there for a week when I was 16 after my GCSEs, to stay with some family friends-loved it there a lot. Agreed, I should go to Jutland at some point.
 
It is indeed Nørby, just can't get the right letters there!

Yep, suspected it wasn't great coast

Nørby - just as bad as Esbjerg. Still part of Vadehavet (shallow waters).

Sub bases, you would want to place them on the east coast of Jutland. AFAIK all the small towns have a railline connecting to Germany so replenishment would be easy.

And at some point somebody begin thinking of Battle of Bzura River and the German airlift of a regiment into battle and then count km from Aalborg to Norway. :D
(am thinking of using this in a TL that is only forming in the mind (whose?) (mine!))
 
8th January was a key day in the history of this conflict.

At Suomussalmi in Finland, the Russian 44th Division was shattered by the Finns. [1] The disaster was made even worse by the fact that a Finnish mortar killed the Russian commander, Danitshev. The remnants of the division retreated despite the exhortations of the political commissars, several of whom were found battered to death by chasing Finnish soldiers. The Finns found themselves in control of tonnes of munition and food. By the 9th, the Finns had broken through and chased the scattered Soviet troops back as far as Palovaara.

Meanwhile, in Berlin, a meeting was being held. The top brass were all there: Hess, Raeder, Keitel, Doenitz, Goering, Goebbels, von Rundstedt and von Manstein, amongst others. The key decision was this: that France would be invaded, but that this would necessitate an invasion of northern Belgium, as it was last time-but also the Netherlands. The two countries would be turned into two or more puppet states. The date was set for April.







[1] ITTL, this is probably even more likely that IOTL.
 
In an unusual piece of news reporting that most news outlets did not pick up on immediately, and indeed an event that had passed surprisingly quickly out of recent memory with the immediacy of war, The Daily Mail had an intriguing scoop:

Hitler's Assassin Speaks
German Who Tried To End War Talks to the Mail

Indeed, it was true. Fearing deportation from a nervous Switzerland, Georg Elser had somehow washed up in Britain and had been employed over there. His family had managed to escape to France and were known to be en route.

More sinister was an event in the Netherlands on 14th January 1940, at Eijsden in Limburg. Due to an act of sabotage, an international train from Liege came off the rails late in the evening, killing four. That night, members of the Dutch Nazi NSB attacked Communist offices across the Netherlands. The Communists strenuously (and correctly) denied that they had been responsible. In an idea which had been suggested by Goering, the NSB had staged the event and blamed it on their enemies.

By the next day, there were running battles in the street between the NSB and the Communists. The Prime Minister, Dirk Jan de Geer, had no idea how to stamp this out quickly. Especially as the NSB had been armed by the Germans.
 
On the 16th January 1940, overriding the King's will, the German occupation forces in Copenhagen dismissed Prime Minister Thorvald Stauning and stated their intention to have a new and Danish Prime Minister installed imminently. Rumours at the time, subsequently confirmed by the release of official papers from Britain's National Archives, indicated that the candidate had somewhat cold feet. The news that Stauning had been removed caused uproar, and a number of Social Democrats now felt ready to go underground and join the Resistance.

Meanwhile, the trouble in the Netherlands was getting out of hand. Provoked, Communist workers had seized a number of factories across the industrial cities of the Netherlands, and the dockers of Rotterdam were considering coming out on strike. The NSB in the meantime were exploiting the situation for all it was worth, and continued attacking Communist offices across the nation. The police were struggling, especially when the Communist-Nazi fights became firefights.

The NSB leader, Anton Mussert, made a public speech on the 19th January, openly accusing the Communists of undermining the Netherlands, and claiming that he and his party were fighting to protect the nation from "the red menance". The same evening, Queen Wilhelmina summoned Prime Minister de Geer to the palace and dismissed him. Pieter Gerbrandy was invited to kiss hands (as it were), and told to get a grip on the situation.

The next afternoon, the army were put on standby to quell the violence.
 

HJ Tulp

Donor
Note that neither the Dutch Communist Party (CPN) and the National Socialist Movement (NSB) were big players in the Netherlands. In the elections of '37 the NSB got 4% of the votes. The amount of people willing to fight for the ideals of Mussert might be 1% at most. The CPN had something like 10.000 members in 1939.

Just wanted to remind you that a civil war or even large scale disturbances are very unlikely and will probably be squashed in a day or two.
 
On the 16th January 1940, overriding the King's will, the German occupation forces in Copenhagen dismissed Prime Minister Thorvald Stauning and stated their intention to have a new and Danish Prime Minister installed imminently. Rumours at the time, subsequently confirmed by the release of official papers from Britain's National Archives, indicated that the candidate had somewhat cold feet. The news that Stauning had been removed caused uproar, and a number of Social Democrats now felt ready to go underground and join the Resistance.

It will surely put the Wehrmacht in conflict with the German Foreign Office that was OTL running the Occupation.

If pulled off you could easily have "Norwegian circumstances" i.e. an active resistance movenment countered strongly by the Occupation forces in Denmark.
In this case minister Kauffmann in Washington would be a national hero and not as OTL seen by government as a traitor. This would also put the Danish Merchant Fleet at allied use.
AND the Danish armed forces would in these circumstances be disarmed by the Germans with heavier loss than OTL.

This would also butterfly away any post-war talks of Scandinavian Neutrality League.
 
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