no Egyptian-Israeli peace?

Cook

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No, in 1956 the Egyptians scuttled some 40 ships in the canal, putting it out of action until 1957. The ships had to be refloated to clear the canal.

In 1967 it was closed again by skuttled ships and mines and stayed closed until 1975. Sorry, I missed saying about mines in my earlier post.
 
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Cook

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Do you know why the crews weren't helicoptered out?
They weren’t trapped trapped, they were the crews of trapped ships; necessary to maintain the vessal in a seaworthy condition. The number of personnel was reduced and eventually the maintenance was handed over to a salvage company. They were payed and took leave like they would have anyway.
 
They weren’t trapped trapped, they were the crews of trapped ships; necessary to maintain the vessal in a seaworthy condition. The number of personnel was reduced and eventually the maintenance was handed over to a salvage company. They were payed and took leave like they would have anyway.

That makes sense. Still, I would expect them to be rotated out or something, or at least take some shore leave in Ofira :D
 
I`ve been looking for the reference but can`t find it so I`m a bit vague. Egypt was receiving subsidies from other Arab states to help fight Israel, and after the problems with the Soviets purchased Mirages from France so maybe those things will continue without peace with Israel.
 

Gwax23

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Israel has benefited from the secure southern border (up until recently) and the secure shipment of oil. The latter might become unnecessary soon with new gas deposits off the shore of Haifa.

In any case had their been no peace treaty Israel would have been better off IMO. Plenty of Oil in the Sinai for domestic consumption and for trade which can be used to pay off having to increase the defense budget now that Egypt still remains a threat.

Sinai will quickly become an integral part of israel and easily settled. Jewish majority maybe in a decade.

I dotn see them feasibly securing the Canal. They would of needed to taken control of several major Egyptian cities with huge egyptian population. They could not maintain this plus all the other territory.

West bank and Gaza would be outright annexed. If not parts of both ceded to Jordan possibly in a peace deal. See The Allon Plan.

Sinai provides Israel with new resources and a huge buffer to prevent an Egyptian invasion of the Israeli heartland. So all in all it accomplishes more then what the Peace treaty did. The mutual trade was always negligible and now Egypt wont be able to gain access to western arms from the US making it even weaker and less of a threat to Israel.

This might lead to some more wars down the line but I cant see them changing the situation anymore. Maybe an intifada or 2 later some Palestinian deportations to Jordan egypt or elsewhere.
 
A greater chance of the Gaza Strip becoming annexed into Israel since prior to the peace treaty between the Israelis and Egyptians, they were building settlements in the Sinai peninsula and such a process would had continued well into the present. Unlike the West Bank, there's a very low Arab population (most of them being nomadic Bedouin) so you can see the settlers quickly overwhelming the locals. West Bank, I'm not too sure. The Israelis might still occupy it or they might cede the parts of the West Bank that hasn't become dotted with settlements with the Jordanians in exchange for a peace treaty or having an autonomous Palestinian state with the King of Jordan recognized as the King of Palestine and protected by Jordanian forces?
 
I would see Gaza being very different, prehaps Israel might encourage Arabs in Gaza a bit more strongly to leave either to Jordan or to Egypt.

Even if Israel tries a land for peace thing with Egypt in lets say the 90's it will keep Gaza.
 
Even if Israel tries a land for peace thing with Egypt in lets say the 90's it will keep Gaza.

don't think so as others noted Sinai is very lightly populated, so under Israel's OTL settlement plan by the 1990s the Israeli population would greatly out number Egyptians in the Sinai, Gaza how ever never had a big settler population in OTL, by the 1990s the Sinai would be as much a part of Israel as Negev
 

Cook

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Even if Israel tries a land for peace thing with Egypt in lets say the 90's it will keep Gaza.
Overlooks the fact that the Israelis tried to include Gaza in the Sinai handover but Egypt gave up its claim to the territory and the Sinai Peace Agreement’s preamble includes the in principal return of the other land captured in 1967 to Arab neighbours in return for Peace.
 
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