No chinese intervention during korean war

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  1. Redem Proud citizen of her majesty

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    Pretty self explanatory, simply Mao decide to not send volunters in Korea and remain "neutral". My guess the war going to be shorter and I guess MacArthur won't be shown the door by Truman.
     
  2. Mike Stearns Member

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    McArthur asks for and gets permission to use the Bomb.
     
  3. King Gorilla Member

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    Why would he even need to use the bomb, the Chinese only intervened when North Korea was on the kusp of total defeat.
     
  4. King Thomas Has Learned His Lesson Banned

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    No need for the bomb,the North Koreans were being beaten.
     
  5. Blaine Hess Banned

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    The West wins. Korea is reunited under Sygman Rhee. Kim Il Sung is captured and hung. And they all lived happily ever after.
     
  6. Wendell Wendell

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    What would this mean in the wider world though? The Soviet Union would see its first real defeat.
     
  7. Blaine Hess Banned

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    We probably see the defeat in different places. As I understand it, Uncle Joe prodded the Chinese into intervention (not that they needed much prodding). If China stays out, the USSR/China alliance weakens much quicker. This would be much more devastating than loosing The Great Leader.
     
  8. Wendell Wendell

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    A meaningful Sino-Soviet War could be interesting:cool: ....Or, Stalin tries something in Europe:(
     
  9. Blaine Hess Banned

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    Dont think he could deal with both an adventure in Europe and defending against the Chinese together. Id say the Viet Minh are in deep trouble. Not much help from either Comunist Bloc heavyweight is available. Vietnam eventually becomes an independent republic.
     
  10. Wendell Wendell

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    They ought to have become one right after the second World War in my opinion...
     
  11. Michael B Doomfarer

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    The Chinese didn't send their troops in until the US forces can captured something like 95% of the country.

    Whilst it is unlikely that the USA would have agreed to terms, how about a Soviet strip in the north, say 10% of Korea and the Americans get the rest? The country is then administered on the same principles as Germany.

    Come the eighties the newly industrialised Korea has a larger economy and the Great Leader hasn't the where withal to set up his Scud and bomb factories.
     
  12. Gustav Anderman Member

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    What about the us/china /taiwan relations?
    I heard that truman wanted to drop taiwan and recognize mainland chine before the chinese interferen.
     
  13. Blaine Hess Banned

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    That would be a true booby prize. I would assume the 10% would be near the Soviet border. The land is useless for strategic, tactical or economic purposes.
     
  14. Hendryk Banned

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    Indeed, until China's intervention in the Korean War, defending Taiwan wasn't a US priority. If Mao remains neutral as the US mop up North Korean forces (which would require definite guarantees that the US wouldn't next move into China itself), by 1951 an amphibious assault would be conducted against Taiwan, and considering the state of the KMT military machine back then, within a couple of months at most the island would be part of the PRC.
     
  15. Redem Proud citizen of her majesty

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    Well I'm pretty sure that would if China would be to invade Taiwan in OTL they could get a atleast major chunk of the island (for a while at leat), but I doubt would have let the China (even if they might not see it as direct opposant) get a hold on Taiwan. U.S never really let any cold war front "idle"


    One a lighter side we might never see the Manchurian candidate.
     
  16. Tom_B Member

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    The Korean War is regarded as quick success and not a grinding frustration.

    M*A*S*H never gets made.

    Tom
     
  17. Superdude Banned

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    Macarthur would NOT be sacked.

    Oooh ooh, then he runs for President. That would be interesting.
     
  18. Hendryk Banned

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    It could be the result of a tacit or even an explicit quid pro quo between China and the US: "We let you crush Northern forces in Korea, you let us crush KMT forces in Taiwan". Initially Taiwan wasn't seen as a "front" in the Cold War, but as an internal matter for China to settle; and much as the US let the USSR intervene as it wanted in Eastern Europe (Berlin 1953, Hungary 1956, etc.), it would have let China reclaim its rebellious island province.
     
  19. Wendell Wendell

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    One would wonders if this would cause other geoploitical situations in the region to be diverged.
     
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  20. stevep Member

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    I'm don't know how close relations between the US and Taiwan were at the time so you could well be right. However on the high of having just defeated a Communist invasion of Korea would the US have resisted the temptation of intervening against the new one in Taiwan? True this would then mean war with the Chinese in Korea, although possibly with the UN forces in a more defencive position. [Could be nasty if the SU plays a more open role under such conditions].

    Also until about 71 wasn't it Taiwan still have the formal position of China and the seat on the UN security council. Hence there would be a lot of political impact if they were overrun.

    Steve