No Bolshevik takeover, does anyone hear of Stalin (or whatever he calls himself)

As I understand it the Leninist Coup (aka the great October Revolution) was a great gamble which was promoted mainly by Lenin. Had he not been around for whatever reason I am assuming a somewhat chaotic Russia.

I also believe that Stalin had certain bureacratic skills and had once been a Menshevik (as wells as a thug and crook)

What would have happened?
 
Stalin had never been a Menshevik. He'd be known to people with an interest in revolutionary figures of late 19th/early 20th Century Europe, probably as Koba or occasionally Koba-Stalin. He'd be seen as essentially a bank robber revolutionary with an aptitude for poetry and would be the ATL version of a Crack!TL choice for ruler of Russia if anyone dared do such a timeline.
 
The Germans apparently planted Lenin to produce the chaos.

No. Well, not really. Even if we assume that the Germans did fund Lenin (and we know that they transported him to Russia), he wasn't planted to produce the chaos. There was chaos already. The Germans would've funded Lenin because Lenin wanted peace with Germany, and that would've allowed Germany to send its troops West. And I don't think it can be said that Lenin was a German puppet. Far from it. He disliked the German monarchy, and believed Germans would be the next people to rise up for the proletarian revolution. Lenin was willing to use the Germans for his own needs, and they were willing to put him in power for their own needs. It was a win-win situation for Germany and for Lenin.
 
No. Well, not really. Even if we assume that the Germans did fund Lenin (and we know that they transported him to Russia), he wasn't planted to produce the chaos. There was chaos already. The Germans would've funded Lenin because Lenin wanted peace with Germany, and that would've allowed Germany to send its troops West. And I don't think it can be said that Lenin was a German puppet. Far from it. He disliked the German monarchy, and believed Germans would be the next people to rise up for the proletarian revolution. Lenin was willing to use the Germans for his own needs, and they were willing to put him in power for their own needs. It was a win-win situation for Germany and for Lenin.

The Germans were paying the Bolshies to demoralize Russia and even to take it over from 1915. :rolleyes: The Germans were very interested in the short-term in WWI as in WWII. And it worked just as well for them both times.
 

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and Lenin snapped the leash while Stalin finished off the german dream. In the long run the'd be better of with Tsarist Russia. Monarchy was falling apart everywhere and there was no place for democracy in Russia.
 
and Lenin snapped the leash while Stalin finished off the german dream. In the long run the'd be better of with Tsarist Russia. Monarchy was falling apart everywhere and there was no place for democracy in Russia.

You think the German would-be conquerors of Europe were thinking in the long term? If they'd done that they would have tried to be Europe's paymasters, not its military overlords.
 
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