no big TV contracts, college basketball and football coaches in U.S. not paid like Gods

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For example, let’s say Coach Roy Williams of North Carolina coaches basketball as well as teaches math half time.

He’s specializes in Calc 1, 2, and 3. I personally feel Calc 2 is considerably harder and more time-consuming than Calc 1 (I think intentionally so).

Let’s say students try to get into his class because he’s known for explaining it well and making the thing more understandable — and you’re likely to do better on the departmental midterm and final.
 
Or better, those contract are give those who deserved...the student-athletes, they can do fund per school/conference and give some quanrantees(minimum of classed and grade, prove you need the money as pocket money for you and your family,etc).
For example, let’s say Coach Roy Williams of North Carolina coaches basketball as well as teaches math half time.
Did he teach math in RL too?
 

Philip

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Alumni/boosters pay him $5 million to speak at their annual meeting. He has no need to moonlight as a teacher.
 
Alumni/boosters pay him $5 million to speak at their annual meeting. He has no need to moonlight as a teacher.
I think that is what the dude of geography wants to avoid, college is like HS in that regard, when coaches are also teachers
 
You end up in the same situation in most leagues/sports with low-ceiling salary caps - exceedingly well paid bar tenders, wait-staff, grounds-men, 'consultants' etc. Or in this example, teachers.
Even after crackdowns on salary cap breaches, it's always playing catch-up with the clubs/franchises and what they get away with.

Its very difficult to run large scale, lucrative sports using an amateur model in the modern era. It quickly fails if it doesn't adapt or is superseded by a professionalised (i.e. full time and paid) competition and structure. Or what happens is that a league (aka a rebel league) backed by money is established and many players/coaches just goes over to that - e.g. World Series Cricket in the 1970s, the split between Rugby Union and Rugby League over player payments in 1895 etc. This is very anglo-centric however and I don't know a great deal of US sport history in this space.
 
But without the big TV contracts, that may change things.
So you either end up in a situation where sports are only only shown via a public broadcaster, effectively as a community service/non-profit, or that amateurism is basically enshrined in sports law and backed up by decisions in the courts.

Popular sports will become professional. There is a reason why most of the major sports went professional by the end of the 20th century. Rugby was one of the last major hold-outs and that only made it until 1995. Indeed we are seeing this now as Women's sports become increasingly professional and move away from amateur status, in many sports, semi-professional players/management can still be paid quite handsomely despite not being full-time.
 
So you either end up in a situation where sports are only only shown via a public broadcaster, effectively as a community service/non-profit, . .
And this is kind of what I’m after, as least as far as college sports.

You still have money from ticket sales, but you don’t have the much bigger money from TV.
 
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Syracuse Football Coach Dino Baber also heads his school’s Write for Success program. Not every student comes to college prepared with writing skills, at least without spending an enormous amount of time.

This program teaches skills so that a single writing assignment does not end up monopolizing your entire studying time. And yes, it’s okay and even recommended to use Wikipedia first! As long as you do the next step of going to the actual references and using Ctrl-F to quickly find the parts you need.

And on this one, yes . .
Coach Baber does have the requisite skills.

And he generally stays with the curve and runs one of the best college writing programs in the country. But he even includes a little cutting edge stuff, for example, that effective writing need not be so stiff, formal, and corporate.

And in forums with a slate of speakers he sometimes even ever so gently pushes the point that a variety of writing styles are and should be viewed as acceptable. Here’s looking at you, English professors! This one is very much an uphill battle.
 
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Would that make more coaches to take more pro coaching positions?, as the alure of more money and chance to get back to teaching/college coaching if they fail.
 
I think that is what the dude of geography wants to avoid, college is like HS in that regard, when coaches are also teachers

Let’s clarify - in MOST cases, coaches also hold down jobs like teaching. My high school football coach was also a science teacher.

Now’s a good time to tell you I went to high school in Ohio, which you may notice is not Texas. Read Friday Night Lights for a view of a world where high school football (yes, I said high school) is insanely big business. (Read the book - the movie doesn’t do it justice, and the TV show is fiction.) And this is out in Odessa, Texas, which is way the hell out in West Texas, where there is Jack-shit else to do, although the book makes it clear that it’s just as crazy in Dallas.

The head coach was the highest-paid school employee and didn’t teach classes - he coached full-time and wasn’t expected to teach (and probably couldn’t have if he wanted to; he had games to win!) It was probably the closest thing to a highly competitive amateur model that one could conceive of, and there was still a lot of shit going on to skirt the rules and a lot of arms races for facilities, equipment, and yes, coaches.

The point? If sports are as insanely competitive as in Texas or as we know them, expect highly-paid coaches and arms races. It’s just life. And it’s gone on for over a hundred years; the difference is that there are big bucks involved now. Keep those out and you can maybe avert this to a degree.
 
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And that was in the 90's, well money was already in college, but not batshit insane big money like now... seems even with the best wished of the dude of geography, big money is to come and stay. Is hard to pull that New England ideal in a way.

Let’s clarify - in MOST cases, coaches also hold down jobs like teaching. My high school football coach was also a science teacher.
What did he teached?
 

Philip

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I detect you using hyperbole, but only a little! :openedeyewink:

Not really. The Rams Club, a UNC booster group paid Williams a $3.9 million retention bonus to remain with the team for five years. The Alabama boosters famously paided off Nick Saban's $4 million mortgage. Current rumors are that the FSU boosters raised $20 million to buy out Willie Taggart's contract so that FSU could fire him last week.
 
So you either end up in a situation where sports are only only shown via a public broadcaster, effectively as a community service/non-profit, or that amateurism is basically enshrined in sports law and backed up by decisions in the courts.

Somewhere along the line, the SCOTUS is going to find that a 1A violation.
 
Somewhere along the line, the SCOTUS is going to find that a 1A violation.
Exactly, its ultimately going to challenged in the courts on any number of grounds - be it on constitutional (as you point out), or on the grounds of unfair regulation of an industry or individuals. With the amount of money (barring its magically hand-waved away) that could be made, those legal challenges are going to be well funded.

And this is kind of what I’m after, as least as far as college sports.
You still have money from ticket sales, but you don’t have the much bigger money from TV.
That money is a drop in the ocean compared to most revenue streams. Even selling out game day events, ticket sales mean the team/ownership might barely break even, with no money for investment. There is a reason why sponsorship is the way it is, and why leagues/competitions as a whole fight to get good deals.

The other outcome of this if certain college sports are regulated, then they simply loose players/staff to other codes or overseas where they can earn a good income.
 
Exactly, its ultimately going to challenged in the courts on any number of grounds - be it on constitutional (as you point out), or on the grounds of unfair regulation of an industry or individuals. With the amount of money (barring its magically hand-waved away) that could be made, those legal challenges are going to be well funded.

An example of that in OTL was the OU case in 1984 that found the NCAA's television pool an antitrust violation.
 
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