No American Revolution - relation between NA and Britain

[Tyr]

I'm working on a timeline that includes the American colonies remaining loyal (it's not the actual POD, though) and my current ideas consist of dividing up the 1760 American lands into three new Kingdoms: Virginia, New England (using the Mason-Dixon line if it's not too anachronistic) and Canada. I don't think individual Colonies would be big enough to count as Kingdoms, and counting them as Counties wouldn't make sense when they're themselves made up of counties.

That's what I did in my ye olde no AR TL.
Then further kingdoms appeared out west, IIRC 'Indiana' (not a kingdom but a big united native nation), Columbia and...err....another one.It really was some time back.

 

[Thande]

That's what I did in my ye olde no AR TL.
Then further kingdoms appeared out west, IIRC 'Indiana' (not a kingdom but a big united native nation), Columbia and...err....another one.It really was some time back.

More or less what I'm planning, but Russia and Spain are in a powerful enough position to provide some opposition to an inevitable steamroll through to the west coast. It does eventually happen, but not spectacularly so.

My Indian state is going to be more to the west than the Ohio Country though - I don't think you could get the colonials to agree not to settle prime country like that.

 

[Othniel]

Merchants in New England had a history of circumventing the British. I would think that those in the middle colonies would do the same thing with local industries. Americans have all the tools to do what they need to do to prosper without the mother country. Up until after the French and Indian Wars Britian had let this slide, however Britian came in and dealt with it. The Americans didn't like this so their response was to smuggle in what they needed at the expense of the UK. Presumable a scernario were America stay we would have Mercantilism dealt with by the British. A shift might happen from the homes isles to the merchant classes in New England, as this had happened its almost assured that the Industrial classes would switch over to those in Penn. and the Old Northwest.

What would happen to the American System of Manufacturing? Its one of those keys to the second industrial revolution. If they don't come up with it they are going to be stuck with Batch Proudction for a while.

 

[Wendell]

More or less what I'm planning, but Russia and Spain are in a powerful enough position to provide some opposition to an inevitable steamroll through to the west coast. It does eventually happen, but not spectacularly so.

My Indian state is going to be more to the west than the Ohio Country though - I don't think you could get the colonials to agree not to settle prime country like that.

So, will you have places like Vandalia, and Transylavia/(New) Cumberland emerge? Although, I guess the latter might join Virginia and the Carolinas.

 

[Wendell]

I've never understood why the colonies would be consolidated at all...

If I was to split 1763 British North America, I would make a Kingdom of Canada, and a Kingdom of Virginia.

Otherwise, the colonies should not be consolidated. A North American Parliament could still be possible though if the colonies did remain separate.

 

[Nicole]

If I was to split 1763 British North America, I would make a Kingdom of Canada, and a Kingdom of Virginia.

Otherwise, the colonies should not be consolidated. A North American Parliament could still be possible though if the colonies did remain separate.

Possibly- though if I was in Parliament, I'd want to keep the colonies separate- even if the colonies combined outnumber Britain, none of them alone do.