No american revolution, how does the relationship between the crown and the americas evolve?

Alot of the threads about a British america often focus on the british government and america. Never focus on the crown. If america remains british how will the relationship evolve as we know the americans did go to the monarchy for help before the revolution. So they see some use in the monarchy and support for it. I tend to have to views british colonies never develop an american identity and instead use the monarchy to rally behind a common idea, and monarchy continues on its path of becoming less involved in politics. The other idea is british monarchy plays more role in america where we see the second son sent to represent the monarchy for america and act as a governor in general. Also what about title in america such as duke of the Carolinas and so fourth will the monarchy create these titles for children who won't inherit or create an american aristocracy.
 
The tipping point had already been reached for the British monarchy in 1688 and, despite any ebbs and flows, it was on an inevitable downwards path (in terms of political power) after that. Much will depend on developments on Britain but it's likely "national" identity will be based around states and federations of states. As long as the monarchy doesn't do anything stupid, the monarchy will likely move to a position it has in Canada and Australia. Broad political acceptance, strong political support from conservatives and intellectual opposition from the more politically involved on the left. As for an aristocracy, it would be likely emerging institutions in each American colony would have a local aristocracy created on the British Lords model: the title without any actual lands to go with it. Duke of the Carolinas might be too expansive, but something like Duke of Raleigh or Earl of Catawba are more realistic.
 
It might be that you'd get a few more dukes in the Americas if the royal family had several generations with many sons who'd need titles. Otherwise, the title of duke seems to have been a fairly rare one to be given out by that point. Expect lots and lots of barons, baronets and the occasional viscount, not all of whom would be peers able to sit in the House of Lords. Higher titles, earl and above, seem mostly to be reserved for people who do truly great things, like the Duke of Wellington, and for royals, who tend to be given a tonne of lesser titles, presumably so they can be split off and given to younger sons over time.
As for the institution of the Crown, I expect it would be both closer and more distant. Closer, because I don't see Westminster accepting colonial parliaments as equally sovereign barring anything less than the collapse of the Empire. After all, that's what it took otl. Governors and Governors-General are likely to retain more power over their local parliament than the monarch would have over Westminster. They may continue for quite some time with the practice of the viceroy appointing members of the upper house, and sitting in on Cabinet meetings, though I expect it would eventually become convention that they don't. How long that would take would probably depend on the age of the colony and its stability. The FCO is hardly going to give more power to a colony that's in a shambles or perpetually on the verge of revolt. The relationship would also be more distant, as the monarch is unlikely to visit often, for security and admin reasons as much as anything, and therefore is unlikely to make anywhere near as many public appearences nor to have much sense of what the colonies are like on the ground beyond what their briefings tell them.
Probably the most obvious relationship would be symbolic. The monarch on the coins, statues and street names and the names of towns and Royal Societies and Prince/ss so-and-so Hospitals and the Speech from the Throne with all it's assorted traditions. Royal insignias on post boxes, and a tendancy for the upper class, the aspirational and the well educated to immitate the Oxbridge accent.
Also, expect far less people to have names like 'Earl' or 'Duke'. I'm fairly sure the ban on naming your children titles has been around a while.
 

SsgtC

Banned
It would depend, I think, on how the war is avoided. If George III intercedes directly with Parliament on behalf of the colonies, it will obviously be much closer with the Crown likely having a larger say in the actual governance of the colonies. If, OTOH, he uses the colonies appeal to him to crack down on dissent and end the Rebellion before it begins, it will be much cooler with the seeds planted for a revolution at a later date.
 
Slave trade would end c.1808 and ultimately fade away in decades, before the cotton gin creates the slave economy of post-1825. Expanse to the west coast will be in the area now occupied by Canada. What about the Louisiana territory?
 
If there wasn't a revolution, then France might not see itself under the enormous debt and strain that eventually led to it's own revolution. I believe most of Louisiana was given to Spain by France after the French and Indian Wars, but before the formal end of the Seven Years War in a secret treaty, and additionally, the British got Florida. Great Britain would basically control all of North America east of the Mississippi River and would come to covet New Orleans, which would give them control of the river and be the most important port for them to project their power into the Gulf and Caribbean, and really, the rest of the continent.

I imagine another major war breaking out before too long, one where the rest of Europe is worried about British influence abroad being projected onto the continent. This time, France, Spain, and the Netherlands sign a treaty to defend their colonial assets in the Americas and likely get 2 out of 3 between Austria, Prussia, and Russia to join them.
 

Lusitania

Donor
If any have read the two Georges book, it delved into that.

POD George Washington meets with King George and an agreement is reached to resolve the problems in the colonies and come to an agreement about future westward expansion and so forth.
 
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