No America- It's just a big ocean

What would the world be like if there was no America? All the Indians would still be in Asia, so Asia would have a higher population. They may settle in Mongolia, and could affect the Mongolian empires lifetime. Colombus would have either died at sea, or would have found Asia and China. I'm not sure of what the ATL Atlantic/Pacific currents would be like, so Colombus could have gone anywhere.
 
columbus would have reached Japan or Indonesia if he had enough food to cross the pacific and the atlantic and dont forget the now drowned land of america.

The population of asia will be higher but i dont think they would settle in Mongolia. since wrangel doesnt end on a vast plain with prey animals now.
 
Better be put into ASB section. As a real POD it would butterfly away most wildlife as we know from history.
 
Shouldn't this be in the ASB forum?

Anyway, let's just suspend plausibility for a moment and say the Americas are replaced with ocean in 1492. I think the north-oceanic currents would cease to send warm water to northern Europe, and it gets cold fast. The population moves south. In the meantime, Columbus rides the Canaries Current out to the OTL Americas, and, if his crew doesn't force the ships back to Europe, he never comes back. European wars play out over the now-diminished farmland, bringing an end to Portuguese exploration as they focus their economy on protection. Similar (though not as drastic) turbulence occurs in Africa and Asia. Eventually, Europe gets working again and dominates the world (probably).
 
Lets say Europe isn't covered by Ice from no Gulf Stream, instead It gets an El Ninio type warmth in the Patlantic.
Columbus only went because fishermen came back with tales of land where they fished. Even if Columbus ended up setting sail. Even if he made it over a much bigger ocean, in substandard ships. Europe would never have achieved the greatness it did. The trip would have been much more dangerous. Spices would have still been harder to get. Spain and Portugal would never have conquered the Chinese or Japanese like the Aztecs and Incas. No influx of gold.
 
Lets say Europe isn't covered by Ice from no Gulf Stream, instead It gets an El Ninio type warmth in the Patlantic.
Columbus only went because fishermen came back with tales of land where they fished.

Actually Columbus went because he miscalculated the distance to the East Indies. AFAIK the tales brought back by the fishermen fishing the Grand Banks weren't that widely circulated- they wanted to protect their sources.
 
Actually Columbus went because he miscalculated the distance to the East Indies. AFAIK the tales brought back by the fishermen fishing the Grand Banks weren't that widely circulated- they wanted to protect their sources.
The fishermen protected their sources up until the second glass of mead. They liked to boast as much as the next guy when they were having a few at the sea side tavern. Columbus frequented these places to hear these stories. His miscalculation was that he thought they had discovered the orient.
 

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Most of the civilized world would probably be centered around the Indian Ocean basin. China and Europe would be cold and windswept backwaters, battered by unbelievably huge storms sweeping in off the Great Ocean, whose crossing would be difficult even now
 
The bigger the ocean the bigger the waves. If there were no New World then the waves would be truly massive (a "perfect storm" every day). Humans would not be able to cross it using 15th century technology. The waves would hammer the coasts of Europe and Asia (not to mention England and Japan) changing the maps considerably. Currents would be different, weather patterns would be different.

Everything would be different.
 
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