No Abrahamic religions.

1.what if the abrahamic religions dont rise in prominence and how much it will affect the course of history in the next 1000-1500years?

2.in this timeline the three abrahamic religions dont come into existence or even if comes does not rise in prominence and become world religions, they mostly exist as regionalised cults.

3.the year is 400AD and roman empire is already falling due to effetion and invading huns, and the huns under attilla ravage and overrun the mighty roman empire and actually take over it, that is a nomadic empire built on the superstructure of an existing one, so we have a hunnish empire covering all areas of southern and south east areas of europe.

4.the situations stays as in OTL in other parts of the world.
with manichreanism taking the role of a missionary religion appealing to common masses in west asia and north africa dominated and ruled by the mighty persian empire whose religion is zorastrianism, the religion of mani spreads all over north africa and even to italy and iberia.

5.in india gupta empire has united most of the indian sub continent and is already feeling the burden of over weight, easily broken by a big blow from inside or outside, with hinduism absorbing buddhism in most areas.

6.meanwhile the hunnish empire in south europe is becoming so great and there were frequent raids into persian territory with even attempts to invade egypt by way of sea, the hun decendants of europe are pagans and have evolved a elusive way of rituals and worships with philosophy freely taken from roman and greek traditions.

7.meanwhile hephalite huns invade india and cause the fall of that mighty empire but are unable to penetrate further into indo-gangetic plains but have also built minor kingdoms in afghanistan and central asia and are heavily hinduised as hindu gods appealed more to these martial nomads than any .

8.in 600s harsha vardhana builds another empire in india and by 700s it reaches the size of maurya empire, and there were frequent clashes between sassanaid persia over some afghan regions and also the arabian sea trade, indian traders settle heavily on southern arabia much to the dislike of persians.

9.the shahi huns of afghanistan frequently raid persian territories, so the persianempire is bothered on all sides,nd manichrean religion spreads all over egypt and north africa and ethiopia and all these regions stay the smae till 1200AD.

10.come 900s turks invade persia from north and take over persia and half the are of fallinf persian empire, the turks become zorastrian and build a great empire from black sea to afghanistan, they knock out the hindu shahis from afghanistan and even a couple of attempts made to nvade india, which has broken into petty kingdoms after the fall of harsha's empire in 850s,but some hindu rajas with fleeing shahis unite into a powerful force and stop persians coming into india in 1000-1050AD, and as a result hindukush is accepted de facto as the border between persian empire and india.

11.meanwhile there were frequent wars betwene hun kinhdoms of europe and persia over control of anatolia and west asia and these battels last for centuries, and also the persian empire has to quell the frequent uprising of mani's followers in all areas under persian hegonomy , most importantsly in the red sea areas of arabia,egypt and ethiopia,with the last one being built as abig kingdom with manichreanism as official state religion.the religion already spread to iberia,france and southern england centuries ago, but central and other paarts of europe remain mostly pagan.

12.a rajput prince with extreme fighting leadership qualities is already built a strong empire in the indo-ganges plains and already added punjap,rajastan and kashmir along with central indian kingdoms into his realm.

13.now comes 1200s mongols begun move from their homeland in a thirst of world conquest and many astrologers in india,persia and faraway egypt see ominous signs aand sense something terrible is going to befall on earth.


to be continued................
 
While they might not seem important early on the lack of Judaism's influence could butterfly away both the Roman and Mongolian Empire. Just my two cents.:eek:
 
Well, how could the flying patterns of a Butterfly completely alter life on Earth? Basically I just used the logic of the Butterfly Effect.

Now For a more specific Answer. If the Jewish people never existed (Which would be the case without Judaism/Jewish Style Religion), they could never interact with the previous people and Empires before Rome. The changed actions of the people ripple across Afro-Eurasia and eventually reach Italy. This could cause Rome to never be founded, replaced by a different city,etc.

So, yeah...that's all I can really say. (Oh and Sorry if my tone sounds Rude...:eek:)
 
1.what if the abrahamic religions dont rise in prominence and how much it will affect the course of history in the next 1000-1500years?

2.in this timeline the three abrahamic religions dont come into existence or even if comes does not rise in prominence and become world religions, they mostly exist as regionalised cults.
A reasonable scenario is Judaism remaining in its original form- a henotheistic sun-cult of the Levantine immigrants to Egypt. In one fell POD, you've got rid of all the Abrahamic religions.

Now...Zoroastrianism might be able to fill the void in places were Abrahamism developed.

Why would no Judaism butterfly away the Roman Empire?
Don't see why it would. :confused:
Man, you guys really take the Butterfly principle way out of proportion, sometimes.
 
Judaism dident really have that big an impact I always thought. Its offspring where the ones that had worldwide impacts.
 

Keenir

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Judaism dident really have that big an impact I always thought. Its offspring where the ones that had worldwide impacts.

given that the Jews were some of the major moneymakers in the Roman Republic, that's an odd statement.
 
I thought the biggest moneymakers in the Roman Republic were....the Romans?!:rolleyes:

I think you're confusing the Jews of the Ancient World with the Jewish moneylenders of Medieval times.
 

ninebucks

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Don't see why it would. :confused:
Man, you guys really take the Butterfly principle way out of proportion, sometimes.

There are thousands of years in between the foundation of Judaism and the Rise of Rome. Take the Jews out of picture and thats hundreds of thousands of people who are never born and thus never get to leave their mark on the world. Just because someone isn't seen as being notable enough to be recorded by history, doesn't mean their life is expendable.

So long as something isn't inevitable, its vulnerable to the butterfly effect. Especially events that rely on the work of individuals, seeings as after a single generation of butterflies, no-one from OTL could possibly exist in an identical form, (according to my interpretation).

Did having Judaism as your religion give you those skills?

Being culturally Judaean does. On the other hand, the people who occupy TTL Palestine could be more mercantile - in any case, its going to be a different culture, and a different player in the East Mediterranean.
 

Keenir

Banned
Did having Judaism as your religion give you those skills?

no.

but by that logic, religion plays no part in history, as it doesn't give you any skills, and thus doesn't change anything.

now, some of the deepest pockets in the Roman Republic were Jews - having that religion didn't magically give them that money, and not all Jews were rich; but a signifigant number were rich.
 
no.

but by that logic, religion plays no part in history, as it doesn't give you any skills, and thus doesn't change anything.

now, some of the deepest pockets in the Roman Republic were Jews - having that religion didn't magically give them that money, and not all Jews were rich; but a signifigant number were rich.

And taking away Judaism would not remove that wealth. It would remove to people but not the ways they made it, unless it involved Judaism. If there is money to be made it will be made regardless of religion.
 

yourworstnightmare

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A reasonable scenario is Judaism remaining in its original form- a henotheistic sun-cult of the Levantine immigrants to Egypt. In one fell POD, you've got rid of all the Abrahamic religions.

Now...Zoroastrianism might be able to fill the void in places were Abrahamism developed.


Don't see why it would. :confused:
Man, you guys really take the Butterfly principle way out of proportion, sometimes.

Have no "Babylonian captivity" and you would have no centralisation of the cult around the Torah, you would instead just have the failed centralization effort around the Temple of Jerusalem, and the hundreds of varieties of Hebrew religion that existed in the countryside (Jah'we worshped together with his consort Ashera for example, and some combinations of Jahweitic cult and the cult of Baal).

This would make Judaism much less organized (one could say this would create a scenario where the Hebrew religion doesn't evolve into Judaism at all, from this point Christianity and Islam would not eveolve).

On Zoroastrianism, if the Persians and other Iranic tribes remain a strong power Zoroastrianism could spread in the Middle East, however the cultic religions of the Roman Empire; The cult of Mithra, The cult of Isis etc. could also survive for a long time.
 
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