No 1905 War

I was wonder on what you all think would of been the outcome of the Russo-Japanese War not having taken place. It seems to me that you would not of had the 1905 revolution. Then also maybe the militarization of Japan does not place as well changing history greatly.
 
The militarization of Japan had already begun and it wasn't that much different that what one finds in any other country at the time. There is a difference between the Japanese society of 1905 and 1925.

However, the status in the Far East is still that of a 'powder keg'.
 
Well, the russians would get Port Arthur, and I believe there were plans for Korea and Manchuria as well. OTL the war put a stop to russian imperialism in east asia.

EDIT: Of course, wether Russia was strong enough to actually undertake these imperialistic ambitions at the time is another story...
 
Wasn't the 1905 revolution already underway when the war happened? I thought that was why the Russians were not eager to continue fighting.
 
Well, the russians would get Port Arthur, and I believe there were plans for Korea and Manchuria as well. OTL the war put a stop to russian imperialism in east asia.

EDIT: Of course, wether Russia was strong enough to actually undertake these imperialistic ambitions at the time is another story...

Port Arthur was a Russian possession before 1905. The First Pacific Squadron was based there and it was the Japanese attack upon the fleet at Port Arthur that opened the Russo-Japanese War.

Japanese and Russian interests are colliding over Korea. I believe the Japanese did make an offer of codominion of Korea to the Russians and they were refused. However, having a Russian fleet stationed so close to Japanese was perceived as a direct threat.
 
Russian performance in WWI is even weaker than in OTL, as they made several reforms after the Russo-Japanese War.

Russian Revolution in 1916?
 
Of course, I meant that Russia would get to keep it.

Well, to be strictly true Russia was LEASING Port Arthur and Liaotung Pen from China for 99 years

Its interests across Manchuria are what would really be affected, places on the railway, Harbin etc where they might expand from emergency occupation to a more permanent presence

The other question of course is about Korea - Russian and Japanese rivalry there, both at Seoul and along the Yalu, was a major source of tension. Without a war, Japan may in effect have to back down, allow the continuance of the Korean monarchy in a puppet capacity and see Russian commercial interests on the Yalu

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
Russian performance in WWI is even weaker than in OTL, as they made several reforms after the Russo-Japanese War.

Russian Revolution in 1916?

Which First World War would that be ?

Without Russian weakness after the war/revolution, Austria is seriously unlikely to go for an outright annexation of Bosnia-Hercegovina

This then impacts whether there would be ANY Balkan Wars, not least because Abdul Hamid II might not be overthrown.

Any wars that break out would then have different causes, imperatives and quite probably different alliances between the regional powers

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
The Russians didn't take the Japanese seriously. They said "we will beat them with our hats." So the war had a certain inevitability, as did probably, the Japanese victory.

Note that in 1939 the Soviets took the Japanese very seriously, and easily defeated them, having prepared properly for the skirmish.

Seeing the Tsar's armies defeated by a lesser power undermined the authority of the government, so that led to the failed 1905 revolution.
 
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