Nipissing Line as US-Canadian border?

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This post from the previous thread brings up an interesting point:
It's likely that Anglophone loyalists would have either left Canada, perhaps for South Africa, or swallowed their pride and stayed in the US. Some may have settled in Quebec giving Montreal and the south bank of the St Lawrence a much more Anglo population but a truly dual Anglo-Franco Quebec is unlikely. Loyalists would not have wanted to share power with Catholics and the Quebecois would have been unhappy to have so many Anglos in their midst.

Would this really prevent Loyalist settlement in Canada, or would the Quebec Act be amended and the English settlers placed above the French?
 
Prevent? Not, completely. Greatly reduce...very much so. It was free land on the Ottawa peninsula that drew many loyalists to Canada after the war. As I said, perhaps this could occur on the south bank of the St. Lawrence but the numbers would be reduced.

Amending the Quebec Act would have some major repercussions and lead to unrest within the Francophone/Catholic population of the region. That combined with more loyalists living along the disputed Maine boundary would cause some definite changes in American-Canadian relations in the forthcoming decades.

As I also said, a boundary along the Lake Nipissing line would greatly hinder Britain's ability to control the vast backcountry west of the Great Lakes. This gives the US an insurmountable advantage when it comes to settling the region north of the 49th Latitude. It is very likely that by the 1840s the HBC will have sold much of this territory to the United States or risk there being a northern "Texas situation". And that then alters the balance between Free and Slave states...which changes the Civil War...which changes other stuff. Etc. Etc.

Benjamin
 
Does anyone have a map showing where this line would be exactly? I tried googling it, but this thread and another were the only relevant results.
 

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Does anyone have a map showing where this line would be exactly? I tried googling it, but this thread and another were the only relevant results.
The line would follow the Ottawa river, and then cross Lake Nipissing to Lake Huron.

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That is a large fraction of useful Canada inside that line already. Even if they follow OTL borders west of the Great Lakes.
Yeah, exactly. It will also speed up the development of the Great Lakes, which will make the most powerful region of the country during that time, New England, even more influential.

(The areas west of New England were predominantly settled by New England settlers, making them effectively an economic extension).
 

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For the record, the context of the second question is having the U.S. eventually expand further north in the years and decades after 1782 in this TL.
 
I think that would mean that Canada is a Francophone nation, with borders maybe at the Ontario/Manitoba border. There will be an Anglophone minority, but Canada is a French nation. I suppose it could go the other way, with Canada being Anglophone and a Francophone minority remaining. The Maritimes might just pursue their own destiny, though. The territory admitted under this would probably be its own state. At least it should be its own state, going by the borders--I don't know what the effects on future Michigan might be. The US could easily get Rupert's Land and Columbia.
 

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Prevent? Not, completely. Greatly reduce...very much so. It was free land on the Ottawa peninsula that drew many loyalists to Canada after the war. As I said, perhaps this could occur on the south bank of the St. Lawrence but the numbers would be reduced.

Amending the Quebec Act would have some major repercussions and lead to unrest within the Francophone/Catholic population of the region. That combined with more loyalists living along the disputed Maine boundary would cause some definite changes in American-Canadian relations in the forthcoming decades.

As I also said, a boundary along the Lake Nipissing line would greatly hinder Britain's ability to control the vast backcountry west of the Great Lakes. This gives the US an insurmountable advantage when it comes to settling the region north of the 49th Latitude. It is very likely that by the 1840s the HBC will have sold much of this territory to the United States or risk there being a northern "Texas situation". And that then alters the balance between Free and Slave states...which changes the Civil War...which changes other stuff. Etc. Etc.

Benjamin
I wonder if the Empire Loyalists could have been settled in Upstate New York in particular while New England settlers go to Ontario.
 
Prevent? Not, completely. Greatly reduce...very much so. It was free land on the Ottawa peninsula that drew many loyalists to Canada after the war. As I said, perhaps this could occur on the south bank of the St. Lawrence but the numbers would be reduced.

Amending the Quebec Act would have some major repercussions and lead to unrest within the Francophone/Catholic population of the region. That combined with more loyalists living along the disputed Maine boundary would cause some definite changes in American-Canadian relations in the forthcoming decades.

As I also said, a boundary along the Lake Nipissing line would greatly hinder Britain's ability to control the vast backcountry west of the Great Lakes. This gives the US an insurmountable advantage when it comes to settling the region north of the 49th Latitude. It is very likely that by the 1840s the HBC will have sold much of this territory to the United States or risk there being a northern "Texas situation". And that then alters the balance between Free and Slave states...which changes the Civil War...which changes other stuff. Etc. Etc.

Benjamin

That's actually not true. The majority of the United empire loyalists in OTL were actually flee to the Nova scotia. only few of them went to the Province of Canada. So Ottawa peninsula got only 20% of the loyalists!
 
Come to think of it, would the borders then be changed when it some to the Lake of the Woods, such as saying the border is based upon this more southernly area? It actually would be more in line with the true source of the Mississippi, not that many knew back then due to imprecise maps. And looking at this peninsula, I wonder if the Natives would form a state there. When your backs are to the wall, and you feel you are being driven into a lake... well, who knows?
 
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