Wait, wouldn't a quake that big be felt in Washington?
It would be felt there although I'm not sure they would triangulate the direction that quickly. No telegraph to quickly correspond with anyone.
Wait, wouldn't a quake that big be felt in Washington?
Guys
Quick question. Given the new waterway gives the US access to much of the interior by by-passing what's left of New Orleans. Hence would they be particularly interested in the remains of the port? Or just bypass it and settle further north?
Steve
I suspect they'd still want the Eastern Louisiana peninsula because it has a commanding position over the eastern coast of Arkansas Bay.
New Orleans- The Gibraltar of North America
The Royal Navy seizes New Orleans and makes it the Gibraltar of North America. By 1812? I can sense the dismay in Washington. Jamaica's near enough to get frigates there from Kingston before the US government can. Big butterflies here, if Britain can pull it off.
According to what I was reading Spain sold Louisiana to France in 1800 and it passed to the U.S. in 1803. The maps of the period which I'm referring to contradict themselves and I wasn't sure what to use. Although I have to change Florida ownership to France also. (Via Treaty of San Ildelfonso)
I see some future conflicts around the Louisiana Bay and access to expanded fertile fishing grounds and ports. What decisions would be made by the British in 1812?
After reading another web site on the subject, since Spain was still administering the territories and the French were owners
in secret for a short while in the OTL I'm not sure what is appropriate. Side note: Maybe the OTL British loss of West Florida could be revised with the recapture of that and the new peninsular Louisiana?
Under the terms of the Treaty. France had to do something involving turning Palma and the Dukedom over to Spain, which involved France getting control of Palma first.Napoleon Bonaparte returned Louisiana to French control from Spain in 1800, under the Treaty of San Ildefonso (Louisiana had been a Spanish colony since 1762.) However, the treaty was kept secret, and Louisiana remained under Spanish control until a transfer of power to France on November 30, 1803, just three weeks before the cession to the United States.
When the news about the destruction arrives in Europe [New Orleans, Natchez, Memphis, Fort St Louis, etc.] Napoleon may decide to cut his loses and Sell.Jefferson initiated the purchase by sending Livingston to Paris in 1801, after discovering the transfer of Louisiana from Spain to France under the Third Treaty of San Ildefonso. Livingston was authorized to purchase New Orleans.
This is after the Treaty of San Ildefonso [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Treaty_of_San_Ildefonso ]
Under the terms of the Treaty. France had to do something involving turning Palma and the Dukedom over to Spain, which involved France getting control of Palma first.
But the Treaty had nothing to do with Florida, and just involved the territory West of the Mississippi that France gave Spain in 1762 to prevent Britain getting it in 1763 peace.
However Jefferson has already sent a Delegation in 1801
When the news about the destruction arrives in Europe [New Orleans, Natchez, Memphis, Fort St Louis, etc.] Napoleon may decide to cut his loses and Sell.
Given that France has Not turned Palma over yet, this would be a more tangled legal position.
More likely is that Livingston decides No New Orleans, Nothing to buy, and returns home.
Edit - I wrote this yesterday about time of post 32. but had to leave and just posted it.
The history of United States Army Corps of Engineers can be traced back to 16 June 1775, when the Continental Congress organized an army with a chief engineer and two assistants.[10] Colonel Richard Gridley became General George Washington's first chief engineer; however, it was not until 1779 that Congress created a separate Corps of Engineers. One of its first tasks was to build fortifications near Boston at Bunker Hill. The first Corps was mostly composed of French subjects, who had been hired by General Washington from the service of Louis XVI.
The Corps of Engineers as it is known today came into being on 16 March 1802, when President Thomas Jefferson was authorized to "organize and establish a Corps of Engineers ... that the said Corps ... shall be stationed at West Point in the State of New York and shall constitute a Military Academy." The United States Military Academy was under the direction of the Corps of Engineers until 1866. The Corps's authority over river works in the United States began with its fortification of New Orleans after the War of 1812.
Although Spain fortified St. Louis and a few other outposts during the American Revolution and beat back a British-Indian attack on St. Louis in 1780, the Spanish did not attempt to settle Missouri. However, they did allow Americans to migrate freely into the territory. Spanish authorities granted free land to the new settlers, relaxed their restrictions against Protestants, and welcomed slave-holding families from southern states—especially important after 1787, when slavery was banned in the Northwest Territory. Pioneers such as Daniel Boone arrived from Kentucky, and the Chouteau fur-trading family gained a lucrative monopoly among the Osage. Spanish rule ended abruptly in 1800 when Napoleon forced Spain to return Louisiana to France.
One thing failed to be mentioned is the trees and other debris that would be under the waterline for a very long time. If ships need to go through this junk will need to be cleaned.