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LittleSpeer

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Need some help with a TL im going to write. Who would be most likely to kill hitler BEFORE the invasion of the USSR. Who would replace him that is not a Nazi and want to get rid of the Nazis and the SS? What would the Goverment look like and who would the top men be and heres the catch. They have to want to continue the war.
 
I don't know who would kill him but Hitler's successor would likely be Goering. You could also have Hitler just die in a plane crash or something. He would likely put all kinds of people from the Wilhelmine period in charge. People from aristocracy and big business will be very influential in this revived Prussian, militaristic, authoritarian and conservative regime. Goering will likely pay lip service to Nazism and its crazy racism. Himmler, Heydrich and the SS are goners. Neither the SS nor the gestapo were as influential yet as they would become later during the war (after Barbarossa). Goebbels might be kept alive. I could see crown prince Wilhelm being crowned Wilhelm III but as a strictly constitutional monarch but that is not a given.

They have to want to continue the war.

Not very hard. Britain wants nothing less than a return to status quo ante bellum. After all, they've tried to prevent one power from getting hegemony in Europe for centuries and will continue to do so. Goering will not accept that. He will want to keep 1914 borders+Austria and Sudetenland. He might give back Bohemia and Moravia. So Goering will have to find a way to defeat Britain or force them to come to terms.


About the USSR: A war with the USSR is still likely to happen as Goering's regime will be anticommunist. If he doesn't start it, Stalin will. The bright side is that this is very good for Germany's PR. Germany can now portray itself as the protector of Europe. Unlike Hitler Goering will be sensible enough to be nice to the Baltics, Ukrainians, the Byelorussians etc and establish puppets and not crazy enough to anger the US. I read a TL here in which Goering installs some Romanov as a puppet Tsar.
 
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LittleSpeer

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Another question:#1 would Goering try to keep control of the economy or give the job to someone else?

#2 Also what kind of man was Goering?

#3 Also if the job was given to Albert Speer, would he do a good enough job to increase German production to keep up with an invasion of Russia. If not, who would be?
 
#1 I dunno. he might. He might also separate the functions of President and chancellor again unless he reinstates the hohenzollerns which eliminates the post of president. Even then the title Führer could still be limited to Hitler for being so exceptional. (Hitler will likely not be seen as negative as IOTL, Great Statesman close to Bismarck but more controversial is more likely.)

#2 Goering was prone to corruption which is his greatest flaw. He was also a morphine addict. He had the air of an aristocrat and seems arrogant to me. On the bright side he was also very much into realpolitik unlike Hitler and therefore there will be no holocaust although he'll likely keep the Nuremberg laws to keep the antisemites happy. I doubt he'll make the same mistakes Hitler made IOTL's WW2.

I pulled this on his foreign policy off wikipedia. Too lazy to type it myself:p

Göring was certainly an ardent Nazi and utterly loyal to Hitler. But his preferences in foreign policy were different. The German diplomatic historian Klaus Hildebrand in his study of German foreign policy in the Nazi era noted that besides for Hitler's foreign policy programme that there existed three other rival foreign programmes held by factions in the Nazi Party, whom Hildebrand dubbed the agrarians, the revolutionary socialists and the Wilhelmine Imperialists[30]. Göring was the most prominent of the "Wilhelmine Imperialist" group in the Nazi regime. This group wanted to restore the German frontiers of 1914, regain the pre-1914 overseas empire, and make Eastern Europe Germany's exclusive sphere of influence. This was a much more limited set of goals than Hitler's dream of Lebensraum seized in merciless racial wars. By contrast, Göring and the "Wilhelmine Imperialist" fraction were more guided by traditional Machtpolitik in their foreign policy conceptions.[31].
Furthermore, the "Wilhelmine Imperialists" expected to achieve their goals within the established international order. While not rejecting war as an option, they preferred diplomacy, and sought political domination in eastern Europe rather than the military conquests envisioned by Hitler. And they rejected Hitler's mystical vision of war as a necessary ordeal for the nation, and of perpetual war as desirable. Göring himself feared that a major war might interfere with his luxurious lifestyle.
Göring's advocacy of this policy led to his temporary exclusion by Hitler for a time in 1938–39 from foreign policy decisions. Göring's unwillingess to offer a major challenge to Hitler prevented him from offering any serious resistance to Hitler's policies, and the "Wilhelmine Imperialists" had no real influence.[32][33][34] In the summer of 1939, Göring (who had some private doubts about the wisdom of Hitler’s policies attacking Poland, which he felt would cause a world war, and was anxious to see a compromise solution) and the rest of the "Wilhelmine Imperialists" made a last ditch effort to assert their foreign policy programme. This was especially the case as Göring's Forschungsamt (research office), which functioned as Göring's private intelligence agency had broken the codes which the British Embassy in Berlin used to communicate with London. As the Forschungsamt revealed, Neville Chamberlain was most serious about going to war if Germany invaded Poland in 1939, and directly contradicted the advice given to Hitler by the Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop (a man whom Göring loathed at the best of times) that Chamberlain would dishonour the “guarantee” he had given Poland in March 1939 if Germany attacked that country.
Göring was involved in the desperate attempts to avert a war in the summer of 1939 by using various amateur diplomats such as his deputy Helmuth Wohltat at the Four Year Plan organization, the British civil servant Sir Horace Wilson, the newspaper proprietor Lord Kemsley, together with would be peace-makers like the Swedish businessmen Axel Wenner-Gren and Birger Dahlerus, who served as couriers between Göring and various British officials[35]. All of these efforts came to naught because Hitler (who much preferred Ribbentrop’s assessment of Britain to Göring's) would not be deterred from attacking Poland in 1939 together with the unwillingness and inability of the "Wilhelmine Imperialists" to challenge Hitler despite their reservations about his foreign policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goering

I forgot to mention that some in his regime might want Germany's old african possessions back.

#3 If Speer gets the job I think he'd do well considering what he pulled off in 1944.
 
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LittleSpeer

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Big question? Would Goering micromanage the war like Hitler did or would he allow the Generals to make Battlefield decisions. EX: General Paulus
 
Short answer: no micromanaging.

Long Answer: He was nominally in charge of the Luftwaffe but interfered little with the day to day affaires. He left running the Luftwaffe to other people. My guess is that he'd do the same if he becomes Führer/President/whatever. That has to do with his lazyness mostly. He'll likely do the macromanaging though, the general direction of the war.

He was against Operation Barbarossa for example so he won't order the army to set something like that up since he believed it would lead to Germany's doom. He isn't completely devoid of military experience so maybe he'll order a Mediterranean strategy to defeat Britain if he can't do so by diplomatic means (which is what I believe). The rest he'll leave to his generals.

BTW If Stalin attacks in 1942ish, Britain might back down. They can't afford to be allied to an aggressor and brutal tyrant. Try and sell that to the world's people. Secret support for the USSR is still a possibility.

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I had some ideas for your government:

President: Goering
Chancellor: Alfred Hugenberg
Foreign Minister: Franz von Papen
Propaganda Minister: Goebbels
Defence Minister: a random officer who has already proven himself competent. Must be a conservative Wilhelmine, not a Nazi. Von Blomberg perhaps if he and Goering reconcile.
Optional: crown prince Wilhelm as Kaiser Wilhelm III, putting an end to the interregnum and making the wet dreams of Hugenberg and Goering come true.

fate of remaining Nazis:
Himmler: dead
Heydrich: dead
Bormann: sidetracked
Hess: sidetracked
Von Ribbentrop: sidetracked.

BTW: Fritz Todt could run the economy too. After all, he had that job before Speer and his plane crash might be butterflied away.
 
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LittleSpeer

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I swear

Who was the most likely to kill Hitler? I'm leaning towards Franz Halder.

A Colonel close to Halder noted in his diary that "Amid tears, Halder had said for weeks that he had a pistol in his pocket every time he went to Hitler in order to possibly gun him down."
This right after Zossen Conspiracy. Is he a likely candidate or should i try someone else. I'm making my first TL and i don't want it under the ASB section.

PS THANK YOU FOR THE GOVERNMENT!!
 
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I honestly haven't got a clue. Maybe you could have some anti-nazi (communist, philosemite take your pick) or some random nutjob whacko insane asylum escapee kill him when he makes a public appearance. If you don't like that then stick with what you know. That is always the best. That way you're less likely to write something ASBish. In this case that means Halder.

btw I'm looking forward to your TL.:) Hopefully this results in a Germanwank. Forgive me but I've got German ancestry.
 

LittleSpeer

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btw I'm looking forward to your TL.:) Hopefully this results in a Germanwank. Forgive me but I've got German ancestry.

I am going to try not to make it a wank. I would prefer to do it on World War one cuz then Germany was not Nazi at all and Soviet Power could be prevented but i do not know nearly enough to do that. I suppose a Hitlerless World War 2 is a Germanwank tho.:)

I also hav German ancestry but along with English, Irish and Scottish and I'm a Yank. Lets just say Goering will favor the English keeping there Empire in the East and America will be.......America if you get my drift. Don't get your hopes too high up tho cuz as i said before, this is my first TL. I will start writeing now and it may start by this weekend but at latest middle of the week.
 
I hope you're not going to mercilessly pound Germany like IOTL's WW2. Otherwise there isn't much point in writing the TL is there :p
 

LittleSpeer

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I never said that. I said America will do what it wants and not what the British want. The British wont be a problem after half way thur 1941 and then the Japanese can walk in and take the Dutch East Indies. This will be an interesting war to say the least.
 
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