New Forum section required

Discussion in 'Help and Rules' started by Albert.Nik, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Albert.Nik Well-Known Member

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    The Geology,Evolution of the Universe and Evolution of life branches of Science are pushed into the ASB. I don't think thats fair enough for those who are interested in those sciences very much like myself. ASB is diluted with Magic and alien actions so these Sciences don't get notice there much. I request the Moderators and Admin to create one Forum section for this. What's everybody's opinion on this?
     
  2. Zagan Donor

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    Negative.

    ASB POD means that it would need something more than human intervention for the change. Your PODs thus fit it perfectly as there is no way humans could have changed something in the history of the Universe, geologic history of Terra or evolution of life forms.*

    * Yes, there are small exceptions obviously. "What if humans did not create the saint bernard dog breed?" is not ASB because it concers a small evolutionary change actually made by humans.
     
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  3. BiteNibbleChomp Currently faking a fishing trip

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    ASB currently has 1.3M posts.

    Before 1900 has 1.3M
    After 1900 has 1.9M

    Mods/Ian have said there's no urgent need to break up the non-ASB forums. ASB is fine too I guess.

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  4. Albert.Nik Well-Known Member

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    ASB is flooded with Magic and Alien related timelines. I would say there be a separate Sub-Forum for Geology,Astronomy and Evolution PODs which would be Scientific PODs. Why not leave ASB for those timelines and move Science related non Human intervention PODs into a new Section? It could be titled "Alternate History section: Natural PODs" or something like that.
     
  5. Zagan Donor

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    I have provided my reasoning, which is, by the way, similar to what the moderators have already provided in many similar threads. You have simply restated your wish from the first post. I have nothing to add.
     
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  6. BiteNibbleChomp Currently faking a fishing trip

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    For another thing, I just looked through the first three pages of ASB (that is, ~90 total threads). I think I counted four that would go under natural PoDs. That makes natural PoDs approx. 5% of the total size of the forum (and the separate forum would be a third the size of the Writers Forum if created). Not sure it is really worth it tbh.

    Like, I get your idea, but it doesn't make a heap of sense for a site about history. When most people think of history, they think of stuff from the last 10,000 years. Pangaea remaining a thing is a question that is better asked on a site where people are more interested in geology, and so while it is a legitimate question, most users on this site in particular aren't going to be too concerned about it.

    Not to mention that splitting up forums means that people who aren't specifically looking for that topic are simply going to ignore the forum. I for instance have had Fandom on ignore since pretty soon after it became a thing, so I'm never going to see any of the threads about that stuff. In the past, a thread like "What if Marty died in Back to the Future 3" would have been in ASB instead, and as I browse ASB occasionally, there is some chance I would at least give the thread a read. Now that it is in Fandom, I would not see it at all. The same thing applies here - someone browsing ASB might go "oh Pangaea thread, let's read this it might be interesting", but if there's a geological forum, they probably wouldn't.

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  7. Albert.Nik Well-Known Member

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    Okay, If not a new section,at least suffixes like the Political Chat section could be introduced.
     
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  8. Albert.Nik Well-Known Member

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    So what's the defining boundary of ASB? Where does it begin from?
     
  9. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    This could help a little.
    What labels do people think?

    Anything that requires more than human intervention or random chance. Such as Alien Space Bats, Gods and other supernatural beings, magic, and similar.
     
  10. Xenophonte Quod natura non dat, Salmantica non præstat.

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    Well, I suggest at least three:General ('common ASB'), Geological/Geophysical and Evolutionary/Biological...

    I think that with these three categories would be sufficient and that would be self-explanatory.
     
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  11. Albert.Nik Well-Known Member

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    Okay,what about advanced Humans building a Time Machine capable of taking to the past in the far future? Would that be ASB or FH! :p
    Just don't take this personally. I just asked jokingly! Anyway can anyone say where this belongs to?
     
  12. BiteNibbleChomp Currently faking a fishing trip

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    ASB. The laws of physics, as we understand them, don't allow for time travel.

    - BNC
     
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  13. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    ASB.

    At least until someone changes the laws that govern the Universe.
     
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  14. Pkmatrix Godzilla Fanboy Monthly Donor

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    ASB, considering the forum description explicitly mentions time travel scenarios. :winkytongue: You can find the forum description by hovering your mouse over the link:

     
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  15. Kermode FKA conchobhar Donor

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    For my money, I'd say these five would cover all the bases:

    ISOT - For scenarios that involve individuals or groups being suddenly transported to another time and/or place. Alternatively, this could be cast a bit wider— to incorporate general time travel as well as things like "ASB gives vikings AK-47s"— to be something like Time Travel or Spacetime.
    Natural Science - For scenarios that involve biology, geology, astronomy and so on. I lump these together because they're interrelated, and so splitting them into separate labels could make discussion very rigid.
    Aliens - For scenarios involving the existence and presence of extraterrestrial life. Not for scenarios where "alien space bat" is just a stand-in for "somehow this happens".
    Supernatural - For scenarios not bound by the laws of nature: magic, occult, the divine and so on. Not for scenarios where "magic" is just a handwave for "somehow this happens".
    General - Anything that doesn't fit above.

    Edit: revised after comments below
     
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  16. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    personally, i'd add an "etc." to "Magic" so that it qualifies for other non-alien fantastical elements and to discourage an extremely strict definition of "magic" (which could hurt discussion if people get tied up in semantics) such as supposing the proven existence of a given deity, and/or including "Soft Science" where something not entirely realistic but not out-and-out fantastical is used (which could be folded into "Aliens" as well since those are "realistic" but unproven)
     
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  17. Kermode FKA conchobhar Donor

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    Very good points. With that in mind, I propose Supernatural instead, to include everything not bound by the laws of nature: magic, occult, the divine and so on.

    Can you be more specific? I'm having a hard time picturing what this label would cover, and why it couldn't just be in General.
     
  18. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    i'll use a pop culture example: Star Wars is considered "soft sci-fi" while 2001: A Space Odyssey is "hard sci-fi"--one has an intergalactic war fought between armies of clones led by space wizards against armies of droids controlled by a huge corporate alliance which is actually a puppet of evil space wizards, and the other is a few guys in a a fundamentally real-world spaceship being threatened by a psychotic AI. one is clearly a "more realistic" brand of science-fiction while the other is not.
     
  19. Kermode FKA conchobhar Donor

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    We're working off different definitions and uses. I used "hard science" not to suggest realism, or even sci-fi at all, but in reference to the scientific fields that concern themselves with natural phenomena (instead of societal relationships). Like, my "Hard Science" category wouldn't include 2001 at all, because it's not concerned with biology, geology, chemistry, physics or anything else along those lines. That said, this makes me think that Natural Science would be a better name, since it's both more direct and less liable to misinterpretation.
     
  20. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    yeah, we're definitely working with different definitions here

    but i have a Wikipedia page that backs me up with regards to hard and soft sci-fi, so nyeh XD

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction