Nah it’s okay man. If you want to do your part in wikiboxes, you can do them all. I am cool with staying on the sidelines in this one.
New Deal Coalition Retained Pt II: World on Fire
- Thread starter Prince Daemon Targaryen
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Thank you very, very much.Nah it’s okay man. If you want to do your part in wikiboxes, you can do them all. I am cool with staying on the sidelines in this one.
If you do ever change your mind (provided that we do indeed start a part III—it appears we don't know for sure yet), let me know and I'll be more than happy to share my duties. I hope you don't mind if I PM you to see what applications/methods you use? The tools I use in constructing wikiboxes are alright, but if there's a better way I want to make sure I know it.Why would Gerhard Frey fall from power? He won the last elections with 65%, started a revolution in German politics, won the war against the Soviets and not only reunified Germany, but also brought back for Germany the Eastern Provinces, the birthplace of Prussia, who were thought to be forever lost. He allowed the Germans to atone for their former Nazi past and gave them a new reason to be proud of themselves, by being the backbone of individual liberty in Europe. He doesn't seem prone to be Churchilled out of office.
Also, a Progressive President in 1992? It would be interesting to see how they rise from 27 Electoral Votes to 271. If only...Progressive President Ross Perot.
Also, a Progressive President in 1992? It would be interesting to see how they rise from 27 Electoral Votes to 271. If only...Progressive President Ross Perot.
Which tbh I see falling apart the moment that the Cold War is over. Now they will try to dominate the continent, and their ugly side will be truly revealed (Freyists).
Admiral Halsey
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Which is the complete opposite of what's been hinted at and radically changes the time of the TL.
Here's my two cents: as IntellectuallyHonestRhino has pointed out, The Congressman may well have no intention of coming back to the site, in which case we will never know for sure whether or not he would be okay with a Part III. However, as I stated in an earlier post, I think it would be a shame for the final legacy of this timeline to end on such an unpleasant note, with all the associated issues unresolved. I think our best option would be to pick a date, perhaps a month or two in the future, when we will start work on the sequel. If The Congressman does come back onto the site during that time and gives us our blessing, then great. If he comes back to say he doesn't want us writing a sequel, then that'll be the end of it. But if, by the time that date comes, he hasn't returned to the site (or he's returned to the site but hasn't stated his opinion on the matter), then we start writing; and if at any point while we're writing, the Congressman comes back and asks us to stop, we stop. If anything, this kind of plan would give us ample time to work out the disagreements we have on what direction to take the sequel. What does everyone think?
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His TL, even though I don’t like it and feel like it doesn’t make sense/is biased, you can’t do anything with it or it’s concepts without his consent.
I'm in agreement, without his consent I know that there's going to be another shitstorm about the direction that the "sequel" should be heading.
You see I like the TL, but it's biased just like almost every TL on this site. The thing about this TL that I liked the most is that it's consistent. I have a bad feeling that people are going to ruin it because they didn't like some of the things that were put in.
Without his consent is where it'll stand out the most. With his consent then those changes to the core of the story would actually be "canon" and so that would hopefully quell problems.
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And we'll keep him as an American ally so not too much changes with the story's trajectory. I've said this before, maybe like a Saudi Arabia equivalent. Important ally in helping the stability of Europe, but a bit shady
If be interested in working on the continuation, but like @IntellectuallyHonestRhino I won't be able to make it my main project.
What about the EU? Would something similar to the Treaty of Maastricht be signed?
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https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ndcr-fanfiction-thread.448029/
New thread, we'll be continuing the TL here.
New thread, we'll be continuing the TL here.
Probably, the reconstruction will need even more working together and 3 WW in a single century are enough for everyone, the EU or whatever will be called ITTL will be seen as the last hope to avoid a similar conflict in the future (or to end it quickly)
Warsaw Trials
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Warsaw Trials
Starting in October 1991, the world mixed its horror over the ongoing epidemic in South and Central America to focus on the Polish city of Warsaw once more. Beginning was the trial of the half century, where the various antagonists and accused war criminals of the Warsaw Pact were to be tried for their crimes. Unlike in the post-WWII trials at Nuremburg and Tokyo, all criminals from every front were gathered in the same place, several still at-large defendants (either fled or affiliated with Gennady Yanayev’s Russian Socialist Republic) being tried in absentia. Initially, the Allies wanted to hold the trials in the newly renamed St. Petersburg and initial efforts were made to have the trial in one of the old Tsarist buildings. However, a series of terrorist attacks by supporters of Zhirinovsky’s State of Russia targeting Allied and FRR forces made General Powell rethink his options. An invitation by President Walesa brought the Allies back to the Polish capitol once more.
The trials were in the same structure as the Nuremburg Trials. One main and one alternate judge were drawn from the US, UK, France, German Empire, Italy, South Africa, Entebbe Pact, Japan, and Chile, led by Senior Judge Harry Blackmun of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals. The lead prosecutor was the youthful and passionate Governor of Washington, who accepted despite his demanding job as part of his “service to God and country.” Prosecutions lasting a total of seven months due to the sheer number of indicted offenders (which only included the highest profile or worst), immense media attention was given.
Public opinion had portrayed Kryuchkov as the second coming of Hitler since the war began – although in Poland, a near lynch mob occurred when demonstrators faced off against police when former Polish President Wojciech Jaruzelski arrived for his trial – media outlets focusing more and more on Soviet atrocities as the war went on. Many were routinely compared to the various Nazi war criminals such as Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels, but the man that captured the hate of the entire world would end up being Brig. Gen Andrei Chikatilo. Starting the war as an Auxiliary Captain in the KGB Border Guards, he had risen rapidly through the ranks due to superiors admiring his zeal for atrocity. Put in charge of larger and larger units on occupation duty, he was known to massacre entire towns (the largest being the systematic liquidation of fifty thousand people in the town of Regensburg in March 1990) and to personally torture and kill young women in Germany, Holland, Czechia, and Poland. His atrocities were shown to the world by Ted Bundy himself in Chikatlio’s in absentia trial, the defendant at large somewhere in the vastness of Russia. Poland had a $10 million bounty on his head, Germany a $35 million bounty.
The trials were in the same structure as the Nuremburg Trials. One main and one alternate judge were drawn from the US, UK, France, German Empire, Italy, South Africa, Entebbe Pact, Japan, and Chile, led by Senior Judge Harry Blackmun of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals. The lead prosecutor was the youthful and passionate Governor of Washington, who accepted despite his demanding job as part of his “service to God and country.” Prosecutions lasting a total of seven months due to the sheer number of indicted offenders (which only included the highest profile or worst), immense media attention was given.
Public opinion had portrayed Kryuchkov as the second coming of Hitler since the war began – although in Poland, a near lynch mob occurred when demonstrators faced off against police when former Polish President Wojciech Jaruzelski arrived for his trial – media outlets focusing more and more on Soviet atrocities as the war went on. Many were routinely compared to the various Nazi war criminals such as Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels, but the man that captured the hate of the entire world would end up being Brig. Gen Andrei Chikatilo. Starting the war as an Auxiliary Captain in the KGB Border Guards, he had risen rapidly through the ranks due to superiors admiring his zeal for atrocity. Put in charge of larger and larger units on occupation duty, he was known to massacre entire towns (the largest being the systematic liquidation of fifty thousand people in the town of Regensburg in March 1990) and to personally torture and kill young women in Germany, Holland, Czechia, and Poland. His atrocities were shown to the world by Ted Bundy himself in Chikatlio’s in absentia trial, the defendant at large somewhere in the vastness of Russia. Poland had a $10 million bounty on his head, Germany a $35 million bounty.
The former Palace of Culture and Science had hosted the infamous Warsaw Trials, today it is a famous spot for tourists visiting Warsaw.
Counts:
1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of imposing tyrannical control on foreign powers.
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace.
3. Ordered, authorized, and permitted inhumane treatment of prisoners of war.
4. Ordered, authorized, and permitted inhumane treatment of civilians.
5. Ordered, authorized, and permitted mass murder by means of war.
6. Conspiracy to instigate nuclear war.
Judges:
· Harry Blackmun, Senior Judge for the 8th Circuit; American Main; Chief Judge
· Sam Alito, Assistant Attorney General; American Alternate
· Baron Slynn of Hadley, Lord of Appeal in Ordinary; British Main
· Kenneth Clarke, MP for Rushcliffe; British Alternate
· Franz, Prince of Bavaria; German Imperial Main
· Helmut Kohl, Justice Minister; German Imperial Alternate
· Jacques Delors, Minister of Justice; French Main
· Pascal Clément, Court of Appeals Judge; French Alternate
· Prince Yamanashi Kazuo, Vice Chair of the House of Peers; Japanese Main
· Shintaro Abe, Minister of Justice; Japanese Alternate
· Giulio Andreotti, Former Prime Minister; Italian Main
· Paolo Savona, President of the Italian Central Bank; Italian Alternate
· F. W. de Klerk, Deputy President; South African Main
· Alfred Nzo, Shadow Foreign Minister; South African Alternate
· Rodolfo Stange, Chief of the General Staff; Chilean Main
· Patricio Aylwin, Senator of Chile; Chilean Alternate
· Juvénal Habyarimana, Minister of Justice; Entebbe Pact Main
· Nzanga Mobutu, Speaker of the National Assembly; Entebbe Pact Alternate
Prosecutors:
· Theodore “Ted” Bundy, Governor of Washington; United States
· Rudolph Giuliani, US Attorney; United States
· Emlyn Hooson, Baron Hooson; Britain
· Hans A. Engelhard, Member of the Reichstag; German Empire
· Peter Reith, MP; Australia
· B. Hussein Obama Jr, Aide to President Idi Amin; Entebbe Pact
· Nicolas Sarkozy, Former Counsel to Jacques Cousteau; France
· Mayumi Moriyama, Chief Cabinet Secretary; Japan
· Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Interior Minister; Iraq
Defendants/Verdicts:
· Vladimir Kryuchkov, General Secretary of the USSR; guilty on all counts; death
· Pytor Demichev, Soviet Defense Minister; guilty on all counts; death
· Viktor Chebrikov, Soviet Minister for State Security; guilty on all counts; death
· Grigory Romanov, Party Secretary for the CPSU; guilty on counts 1 and 2; life imprisonment
· Volodymyr Shcherbytsky, Soviet Interior Minister; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Andrei Gromyko, Chairman of the Presidium; acquitted on counts 1 and 2
· Gennady Yanayev, Chairman of the Council of Ministers; guilty on counts 1 and 2 in absentia; life imprisonment
· Valentin Pavlov, Minister of Finance; acquitted on counts 1 and 2
· Saparmurat Niyazov; First Secretary of the Turkmenistan Party; guilty on counts 1, 4, and 5; death
· Dinmukhamed Kunayev, Chairman of the Kazakh Party; acquitted on counts 1 and 2
· Karen Demirchyan; First Secretary of the Armenian Party; guilty on count 4; 5 years imprisonment
· Nikolay Slyunkov, Chairman of the Byelorussian Party; guilty on counts 1 and 2; 15 years imprisonment
· Vladimir Ivashko, Chairman of the Ukrainian Party; guilty on counts 1, 4, and 5; death
· Nikolai Talyzin, Chairman of the Central Planning Commission; guilty on counts 3 and 4; 15 years imprisonment
· Anatoly Lukyanov, Gosplan Director; guilty on counts 3 and 4; life imprisonment
· Gennady Zyuganov, Minister of Communications; guilty on counts 4 and 5; death
· Mykolas Burokevičius, Civilian Administrator for Occupied Czechia; guilty on counts 4 and 5; death
· Yevgeny Primakov, Director of the KGB First Chief Directorate; acquitted on count 1
· Sergey Solokov, Chief of the Soviet General Staff; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Gennady Kolkhin, Supreme Red Army Commander; guilty in absentia on counts 4 and 5; death
· Alexander Yefimov, Marshal of Aviation; guilty on count 5; life imprisonment
· Igor Rodionov, Commander Central Asian Military District; guilty on counts 4 and 5; death
· Yuri Drozdov, Commander KGB I Corps; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Aleksandr Ryabenko, Commander KGB II Corps; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Oleg Nechiporenko, Chairman of the First Chief Directorate; acquitted on counts 1 and 4
· Borys Steklyar, KGB Second Chief Directorate Commander for the Ukrainian SSR; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Vadim Matrosov; KGB Second Chief Directorate Commander for the Caucasus; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Alexey Kozlov; KGB Africa Bureau Chief; guilty on counts 4 and 5; life imprisonment
· Ilya Kalinichenko; Commander KGB Border Troops; guilty in absentia on counts 4 and 5; death
· Pyotr Ivashutin; GRU Chairman; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Valentin Korabelnikov, GRU Field Compliance Commander; guilty in absentia on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Vadim Bakatin, Soviet Deputy Minister of Interior; guilty on count 4; 10 years imprisonment
· Andrei Chikatilo, Commander 1st Occupation Directorate Division; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5 in absentia; death
· Markus Wolf, General Secretary of the GDR; guilty on counts 2, 3, 4, and 5 in absentia; death
· Egon Krenz, Acting General Secretary of the GDR; guilty on counts 2 and 4; life imprisonment
· Erich Mielke, GDR Minister for State Security; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Helena Wolińska-Brus, People’s Guard Commander; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Günter Mittag; GDR Planned Economy Director; guilty on count 2; 5 years imprisonment
· Hilde Benjamin, Chief Judge for the Special Administrative Courts; guilty on counts 3 and 4; death
· Günter Schabowski, GDR Foreign Minister; acquitted on count 2
· Willi Stoph, GDR Chairman of the Council of Ministers; guilty on counts 1 and 2; 15 years imprisonment
· Elena Ceausescu, President of Romania; guilty on counts 1, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Emil Bobu, Interior Minister of Romania; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Iulian Vlad, Chairman of the Securitate; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Zoia Ceaușescu, Minister without portfolio; acquitted on counts 2 and 4
· Nicu Ceaușescu, Minister without portfolio; guilty on counts 2, 4, and 5; 10 years imprisonment
· Wojciech Jaruzelski, President of the Polish People’s Republic; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Florian Siwicki, Commander Polish 1st Army; guilty on counts 3 and 4; life imprisonment
· Zbigniew Messner, Prime Minister of the People's Republic of Poland; guilty on counts 1 and 4; life imprisonment
· Michał Janiszewski, Minister of Defense; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Mirosław Hermaszewski, Commander Polish Air Force; acquitted on count 5
· Salomon Morel, Commander Ministry of State Security; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· András Hegedüs, General Secretary of the Worker’s Party of Hungary; guilty on counts 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Khosro Golsorkhi, General Secretary of the Tudeh Party; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Maryam Firouz, Commissioner of Ideological and Religious Affairs, guilty on count 4; life imprisonment
· Bahram Afzali, Defense Minister; guilty on counts 3 and 5; death
· Bozorg Alavi, Minister of Culture; guilty on count 1; 5 years imprisonment
· Fereydoun Keshavarz, Speaker of the Majles; acquitted on counts 1 and 2
· Nosrat-ollah Jahanshahlou, Occupation Governor of Iraqi Kurdistan; guilty on counts 4 and 5; death
· Massoud Rajavi, Supreme Leader People’s Mujahedeen; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Ali Sayad Shirazi, Commander Iranian Ground Forces; guilty on counts 3 and 4; 20 years imprisonment
· Abdul Rauf al-Kasm, Prime Minister of Syria; guilty on count 2; 10 years imprisonment
· Nasser al-Din Nasir, Interior Minister; guilty on counts 3 and 4; death
· Tafari Benti, General Secretary of Ethiopia; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Fikre Selassie Wogderess; Administrator of Occupied Somalia; guilty on counts 4 and 5; life imprisonment
· Atnafu Abate; Commander II Front; guilty on count 4, acquitted on count 3; 10 years imprisonment
· Mogus Wolde Mikael; Director Military Security; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Sadiq al-Mahdi; Prime Minister of Sudan; guilty on counts 1 and 2; life imprisonment
· Tunji Otegbeye, General Secretary of Nigeria; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Ipoola Alani Akinrinade, Chief of the Military Staff; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Idris Garba, Occupation Governor for Biafra; guilty on counts 4 and 5; death
· Muhammadu Buhari, Commander Military Intelligence; guilty on count 4, acquitted on counts 3 and 5; 20 years imprisonment
· Isaac Adaka Boro; Communist Militia Defense Force Commander; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Chris Hani, Supreme Leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe; guilty of count 4 in absentia; life imprisonment
· Joe Slovo, Operations Director Umkhonto we Sizwe; guilty of count 4 in absentia; death
· Carlos Marighella, President of Brazil; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in absentia; death
· Alberto Goldman; Defense Minister; guilty in count 2, acquitted on counts 3 and 5; 10 years imprisonment
· João Amazonas; Interior Minister; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5 in absentia; death
· Vladimir Herzog; Communications minister; guilty on counts 1 and 2; life imprisonment
· Renato Rabelo; Director Brazilian Medical Guild (the Red Mengele); guilty on count 3 and 4; death
· Maria Werneck de Castro, Occupation Director; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Mario Roberto Santucho, General Secretary of the Argentine Communist Party; guilty on counts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; death
· Liliana Delfino, Coordinator of Interior Enforcement; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
· Esther Norma Arrostito; Chief Judge of the Revolutionary Court; guilty on count 4; death
· Enrique Gorriarán Merlo; Commander People’s Assault Battalion; guilty on counts 3, 4, and 5; death
(A/N: For those wondering, this update wasn't made by me, but @The Congressman . This was a draft that he sent a group chat on the site. I've gotten permission to post it.
Again, NOT mine. Future updates from other contributors will be posted in a new thread. Link here....) https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...etained-iii-a-new-world.448029/#post-17333619
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Well a couple of people will be working on this. I don't even think I'll be a main contributor, I was just the guy to get into contact with him over twitter. He posted this update in a group chat.
TTL is back in business