I think he was just too radical for the voters of the north to accept, and also this is 1856 where OTL Seward didn't even enter his name on the Presidential ballot.
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Fremont/lincoln is an interesting ticket.
Not surprised by the pierce/Davis tag team. Its a literal wet-dream partnership for both of them.
When Seward is elected in any civil war ATL he always gets assassinated.
Not surprised by the pierce/Davis tag team. Its a literal wet-dream partnership for both of them.
When Seward is elected in any civil war ATL he always gets assassinated.
Yeah. I mainly selected Lincoln for some post-war stuff, but he’s selected to a) ensure victory in Illinois, a swig state, and b) balance Fremont’s more radical politics.
I havent heard of any tls where Seward is assassinated. Is that a pattern?
There are a few old TLs where Seward was elexted and assassinated. I'd have to dig them up/go looking, but I have read a few where it happened.
People like drawing paralles with Seward. I mean, he was rather accident prone, especially on the night of the Lincoln assassination where he was fully laid out injured in bed recovering form a carriage fall, and got stabbed several times - and survived.
A dead skunk would've done a better job reacting to the secession crisis than James Buchanan.
Great timeline so far, with an interesting PoD and realistic consequences. Watched!
Happy to see a more proactive President than Buchanan may have kept a few more Southern states in the Union.
My thinking was that after a more radical guy like Fremont, the Radicals would be disappointed by the more moderate Lincoln. He’s not going to be the walking disaster that Johnson was, but he will be unpopular for implementing his flavor of reconstruction thats viewed as too moderate and friendly to the planter elite.
That could cause a backlash that results in a more radical Republican getting elected, or at least nominated, after Lincoln.
Exactly. Its an unwelcome development to the radicals who had enjoyed having an ally in Fremont.
ANNEX ONE: Wikiboxes, Maps, Etc.
So, this is going to be where I put all the wikiboxes, maps, and other stuff like that while I work on the Civil War.
Wikibox for the 1852 Election and map
Wikibox and summary for the 1856 Election
Also, ignore "Kansas-Nebraska Act". Pretend it says "Kansas-Utah Act"
Wikibox for the French Restoration in 1858
Map of the US in 1856
So, this is going to be where I put all the wikiboxes, maps, and other stuff like that while I work on the Civil War.
Wikibox for the 1852 Election and map
Wikibox and summary for the 1856 Election
Also, ignore "Kansas-Nebraska Act". Pretend it says "Kansas-Utah Act"
Wikibox for the French Restoration in 1858
Map of the US in 1856
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I think a President Sam Houston may go a long way toward at least keeping Texas in.
Texas doesn't exist-it was split in two after entering the Union.
That being said, I bet people in what was Texas will still remember him fondly even if the rest of the country doesn't.
I dont want to spoil too much...
Sam Houston definitely has a greater impact over whether Brazos and Austin secede during the Civil War. And he is still pretty popular in the Texases - even while the Lower South forsakes him for Pierce and Davis, the Texases, though settled mostly by Lower Southerners, still supports Houston.
Texases is the proper term, though TTL that term falls out of use by the 1880s.
I do think its a little odd niether state wanted to call itself Texas.