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I'm guessing the western territories are Washington, Absaroka, Dakota, Itasca, Nevada, Colorado and Shoshone?
Probably a close enough guess to what TheHedgehog will do with the timeline.

Since Cuba is basically mentioned to be a popular setting in American mob movies this will alter Scarface (1983) given that Tony Montana is from the island and since Miami is Douglasstown it means the story and setting will be shifted to Havana instead.
 
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I'm guessing the western territories are Washington, Absaroka, Dakota, Itasca, Nevada, Colorado and Shoshone?
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Here's a map of the labeled western states. Pretty good guesses : )
Probably a close enough guess to what TheHedgehog will do with the timeline.

Since Cuba is basically mentioned to be a popular setting in American mob movies this will alter Scarface (1983) given that Tony Montana is from the island and since Miami is Douglasstown it means the story and setting will be shifted to Havana instead.
Scarface isn't going to exist TTL due to over a century of butterflies. As I’m no expert in pop culture, I don't plan to make more than a few passing mentions to movies, tho I havent thought too much about pop culture in TTL.
 
Since Cuba is basically mentioned to be a popular setting in American mob movies this will alter Scarface (1983) given that Tony Montana is from the island and since Miami is Douglasstown it means the story and setting will be shifted to Havana instead.

120 years after the POD in this ATL and you still want Scarface made exactly the same?
 
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Ficboy

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120 years after the POD in this ATL and you still want Scarface made exactly the same?
No, it was just simply a guess. Since Cuba is mentioned to be a popular setting for mob movies, TTL's American Mafia will certainly use the island as their favorite base of operations next to only New York City, New Orleans and Chicago assuming if immigration patterns from the 1880s-1920s are like OTL. The gangster genre will certainly have a ton of movies set in Havana.
 

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For sure. But come 1984...

Yup, a military-dominated system sort of like WW2 Japan or the 1973-1985 junta in Uruguay.
World War I in New Birth of Freedom might involve the United States on the side of TTL's Entente. The non-Nazi German Empire might turn to anti-Semitism but they're not genocidal and might win World War II or avoid it altogether thus allowing them to last up until 1984 when they collapse alongside the Dresden Pact and a democracy replaces them.
 
  1. Does that mean that the German junta is going to exist until 1984?
  2. Did the Kaiser abdicate in favor of his heir or was the monarchy deposed entirely? If it's the latter it opens up the possibility of the royal family returning to power like in OTL Spain post-Franco.
 

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  1. Does that mean that the German junta is going to exist until 1984?
  2. Did the Kaiser abdicate in favor of his heir or was the monarchy deposed entirely? If it's the latter it opens up the possibility of the royal family returning to power like in OTL Spain post-Franco.
This is a possibility from the non-Nazi German Empire of New Birth of Freedom. Overall, it would not be a carbon copy of Nazi Germany and instead it would resemble Fascist Italy or Falangist Italy in terms of ideology and policies.
 
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  1. Does that mean that the German junta is going to exist until 1984?
  2. Did the Kaiser abdicate in favor of his heir or was the monarchy deposed entirely? If it's the latter it opens up the possibility of the royal family returning to power like in OTL Spain post-Franco.
1. Well, it's not exactly a junta (but very much army-dominated), but yes, the Civic-Military Regime does last until 1984.
2. The Kaiser is killed during the violence in Berlin, and his son is much less liberal-minded than he is, so he goes along with the army's diktats and helps cement the new autocracy.
World War I in New Birth of Freedom might involve the United States on the side of TTL's Entente. The non-Nazi German Empire might turn to anti-Semitism but they're not genocidal and might win World War II or avoid it altogether thus allowing them to last up until 1984 when they collapse alongside the Dresden Pact and a democracy replaces them.
The United States actually isn't going to join the war, but instead get very rich from selling arms to Britain and France.
Germany's not going to be anti-semitic. They've won the war, Britain's drifting away from the continent and both France and Austria-Hungary have been crushed.
And there's no WW2, just a long series of proxy wars between the US/Britain and Germany/Russia.
This is a possibility from the non-Nazi German Empire of New Birth of Freedom. Overall, it would not be a carbon copy of Nazi Germany and instead it would resemble Fascist Italy or Falangist Italy in terms of ideology and policies.
TTL's Germany can't be put into any one ideological box. It has a very robust, almost socialist welfare system, but is hostile to unions and favorable to large corporations. Maybe quasi-Fascist, but it's a mixture of OTL imperial Germany and regimes like Japan and (as you mentioned) Spain.
 

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1. Well, it's not exactly a junta (but very much army-dominated), but yes, the Civic-Military Regime does last until 1984.
2. The Kaiser is killed during the violence in Berlin, and his son is much less liberal-minded than he is, so he goes along with the army's diktats and helps cement the new autocracy.

The United States actually isn't going to join the war, but instead get very rich from selling arms to Britain and France.
Germany's not going to be anti-semitic. They've won the war, Britain's drifting away from the continent and both France and Austria-Hungary have been crushed.
And there's no WW2, just a long series of proxy wars between the US/Britain and Germany/Russia.

TTL's Germany can't be put into any one ideological box. It has a very robust, almost socialist welfare system, but is hostile to unions and favorable to large corporations. Maybe quasi-Fascist, but it's a mixture of OTL imperial Germany and regimes like Japan and (as you mentioned) Spain.
I think you should really do research on the leadup to World War I and post-war Europe by reading books about these periods to get a better understanding of what was going on between 1914-1918 and 1919-1939 respectively.
 
I think you should really do research on the leadup to World War I and post-war Europe by reading books about these periods to get a better understanding of what was going on between 1914-1918 and 1919-1939 respectively.
I'll skim The Guns of August, but internet research will suffice for the war itself.
 
Well I doubt there would ever be a communist rebellion in Germany much less a version of the country that won World War I in TTL.
Economic problems can easily plague the victors in war, especially one as destructive nd disruptive as the First World War. Even winning, the German economy will still be kinda rocky as vets return from the front. Probably some social tensions as well (EX: wanting their jobs back but find scabs working for lower wages in their place)
 
Economic problems can easily plague the victors in war, especially one as destructive nd disruptive as the First World War. Even winning, the German economy will still be kinda rocky as vets return from the front. Probably some social tensions as well (EX: wanting their jobs back but find scabs working for lower wages in their place)
You, sir, read my mind.
 
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