Whoa! I had no idea that this timeline was back! I don't know what chance it might continue, but I hope it does. It's one of the most creative timelines set in the early U.S. era that I've ever read, from the new cultures that develop to the interesting way that the European powers are managing to continue to have a presence on the continent. I hope it does continue! Thanks for using my suggestion to incorporate Muskogee! (I'm seeking to use them in my Weird West/Balkanized U.S. project, myself.)
New Albion: A Different Division of North America
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like this Timeline very much. Keep going!
Yeah, it is a pretty interesting TL for sure.
BTW, @galanx , are you interested in possibly resuming this TL at some point?
Thank you and thank you (and it goes without saying, thank you to Strategos' Risk, who gave me a lot of good ideas for this TL). I have it sort of continued in my mind- I bring it up on every thread that is possibly relevant!- and may continue, but...
1) I had a small stroke about a year and a half ago which makes it difficult to type (I can still read fine).
2) I'm approaching the end of when I can use real events and characters, which has been a lot of the fun. The POD is in the 1740s, so it's getting to a new age.
3) Most importantly, I started out with a goal- how can a British colony in the Pacific North-West be established ?- and though it blossomed and took some very unexpected turns, that has mostly come to fruition. Any extension would take me far afield- war between the Kingdom of Mexico and the United States of North America; the Great War of 1820 in Europe; Napoleon, Governeur-General of Australie; the Kra Canal- which don't really touch on the central point, so probably not- but maybe.
Again, thanks for your kind attention.
1) I had a small stroke about a year and a half ago which makes it difficult to type (I can still read fine).
2) I'm approaching the end of when I can use real events and characters, which has been a lot of the fun. The POD is in the 1740s, so it's getting to a new age.
3) Most importantly, I started out with a goal- how can a British colony in the Pacific North-West be established ?- and though it blossomed and took some very unexpected turns, that has mostly come to fruition. Any extension would take me far afield- war between the Kingdom of Mexico and the United States of North America; the Great War of 1820 in Europe; Napoleon, Governeur-General of Australie; the Kra Canal- which don't really touch on the central point, so probably not- but maybe.
Again, thanks for your kind attention.
Laperouse 1785-1787
(It's back!- don't know how long I'll keep it up.)
In 1785 an expedition to explore the Pacific was launched under the command of the Comte de Laperouse (or La Perouse)1787, a French captain who had taken part in the Seven Year's War[OTL]. He had subsequently commanded a ship during the invasion of Britain. The purpose of the expedition was to explore, make commercial and scientific discoveries, and generally to show the French flag, while becoming the first French men to circumnavigate the globe. Among those on the expedition was a young second lieutenant, 16-year-old Napoleon Bonaparte, a name famous in later French and world history. [1]
Knowing the British had colonies in north-western America, he kept his expedition further south. After arriving at Easter Island in April 1786. he saled across the Pacific to Taheetee, then Samoa. He was attacked on the island of Samoa, and had twelve men killed [OTL]. A daring counter-attack led by Lieutenant Napoleon drove off the locals. Laperouse then sailed south of Tasman Island,and explored the southern corner of what later became Australie.. He returned to France in 1787, in time for Bonaparte to take part in the war against the Barbary Pirates.
[1] OTL Laperouse sailed from Easter Island to Hawaii, then Alaska, then the Spanish colony in California, then China, Japan and Russia, then Tahiti and Samoa, then Australia, where he stayed (amicably) with the British First Fleet, and finally his entire expedition was shipwrecked and subsequently killed by inhabitants of Vanikoro in the Solomon Islands.
Napoleon, 16 at the time, had applied to join the expedition.
(It's back!- don't know how long I'll keep it up.)
In 1785 an expedition to explore the Pacific was launched under the command of the Comte de Laperouse (or La Perouse)1787, a French captain who had taken part in the Seven Year's War[OTL]. He had subsequently commanded a ship during the invasion of Britain. The purpose of the expedition was to explore, make commercial and scientific discoveries, and generally to show the French flag, while becoming the first French men to circumnavigate the globe. Among those on the expedition was a young second lieutenant, 16-year-old Napoleon Bonaparte, a name famous in later French and world history. [1]
Knowing the British had colonies in north-western America, he kept his expedition further south. After arriving at Easter Island in April 1786. he saled across the Pacific to Taheetee, then Samoa. He was attacked on the island of Samoa, and had twelve men killed [OTL]. A daring counter-attack led by Lieutenant Napoleon drove off the locals. Laperouse then sailed south of Tasman Island,and explored the southern corner of what later became Australie.. He returned to France in 1787, in time for Bonaparte to take part in the war against the Barbary Pirates.
[1] OTL Laperouse sailed from Easter Island to Hawaii, then Alaska, then the Spanish colony in California, then China, Japan and Russia, then Tahiti and Samoa, then Australia, where he stayed (amicably) with the British First Fleet, and finally his entire expedition was shipwrecked and subsequently killed by inhabitants of Vanikoro in the Solomon Islands.
Napoleon, 16 at the time, had applied to join the expedition.
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La Corse 1787-1845
Napoleon Bonaparte, a young naval officer, distinguished himself in the conquest of North Africa by the French (except Morocco, which went to the Spanish). He remained in North Africa for the next three years, before action against the British and Dutch, culminating in the taking of the Cape of Good Hope from the Dutch in 1795 by Admiral d'Entrecasteaux. In 1797 he became the commander of military forces in southwest Australie. He had objected to the policy of shipping Dutch settlers from the Cape to Eastern Australie, but realized the VOC fleet protecting Tasman Bay was too strong to overcome by sea. He landed an expedition on Flerieu Peninsula and marched overland to Tasman Bay ,later renamed Bonaparte [Sydney], driving out the Dutch forces there. The Dutch held a colony in the north, but eventually retreated to the East Indies, feeling the country is worthless, leaving it all to the French as part of the Treaty of Aachen (1800).
Unfortunately, the King and his advisors agreed on the worthlessness of Australie. Bonaparte does not receive much praise for his daring action, and is reassigned to command a small squadron guarding against pirates working out of the Persian Gulf, the so-called Pirate Coast [1}. Under the influence of the Wahabbis, they had become an annoyance to the French in India, capturing local ships sailing under the French flag. With the assistance of Bonaparte and the French, Said bin Sultan, ruler of Oman, drove the Wahabbis out (1806), and Bonaparte used the occasion to establish a French presence in Mombasa and Zanzibar on the East African coast (actually under the suzerainty of Oman at the time).
Libya and Egypt
The destruction of the Barbary Pirates led to the conquest of Algeria and Tun is (1787). They were soon in conflict with Hamet Kharmanii, the ruler of Tripoli. They defeated him and took over Tripolitania [western Libya] as far as Misratah. Hamet established himself in Benghazi in Cyrenaica [eastern Libya] and emerged triumphant after a brief civil war, but appealed to the Mameluke rulers of Egypt for help. The Mamelukes were supposedly under the rule of the Ottoman sultan Selim III. but largely independent. Their backing of Hamet led France to support the taking of power of Muhammad Ali, again, theoretically under the Ottoman Sultan, but actually independent.
Muhammad Ali was a progressive ruler who tried to modernize Egypt. Bonaparte was transferred to Cairo to aid him. He helped survey and build the Mahmoudia Canal supplying water to Alexandria 1814-1817 [OTL 1817-1820]. He then surveyed and oversaw the construction of his greatest project= the Bonaparte Canal, joining the Mediterranean and the Red Sea (originally called by the French the Louis Canal, which the Egyptians and other Europeans objected to; called the Muhammad Ali Canal by the Egyptians, which the Europeans objected to, and eventually named after the man who was most responsible for its building), which opened in 1831.
Napoleon Bonaparte, a young naval officer, distinguished himself in the conquest of North Africa by the French (except Morocco, which went to the Spanish). He remained in North Africa for the next three years, before action against the British and Dutch, culminating in the taking of the Cape of Good Hope from the Dutch in 1795 by Admiral d'Entrecasteaux. In 1797 he became the commander of military forces in southwest Australie. He had objected to the policy of shipping Dutch settlers from the Cape to Eastern Australie, but realized the VOC fleet protecting Tasman Bay was too strong to overcome by sea. He landed an expedition on Flerieu Peninsula and marched overland to Tasman Bay ,later renamed Bonaparte [Sydney], driving out the Dutch forces there. The Dutch held a colony in the north, but eventually retreated to the East Indies, feeling the country is worthless, leaving it all to the French as part of the Treaty of Aachen (1800).
Unfortunately, the King and his advisors agreed on the worthlessness of Australie. Bonaparte does not receive much praise for his daring action, and is reassigned to command a small squadron guarding against pirates working out of the Persian Gulf, the so-called Pirate Coast [1}. Under the influence of the Wahabbis, they had become an annoyance to the French in India, capturing local ships sailing under the French flag. With the assistance of Bonaparte and the French, Said bin Sultan, ruler of Oman, drove the Wahabbis out (1806), and Bonaparte used the occasion to establish a French presence in Mombasa and Zanzibar on the East African coast (actually under the suzerainty of Oman at the time).
Libya and Egypt
The destruction of the Barbary Pirates led to the conquest of Algeria and Tun is (1787). They were soon in conflict with Hamet Kharmanii, the ruler of Tripoli. They defeated him and took over Tripolitania [western Libya] as far as Misratah. Hamet established himself in Benghazi in Cyrenaica [eastern Libya] and emerged triumphant after a brief civil war, but appealed to the Mameluke rulers of Egypt for help. The Mamelukes were supposedly under the rule of the Ottoman sultan Selim III. but largely independent. Their backing of Hamet led France to support the taking of power of Muhammad Ali, again, theoretically under the Ottoman Sultan, but actually independent.
Muhammad Ali was a progressive ruler who tried to modernize Egypt. Bonaparte was transferred to Cairo to aid him. He helped survey and build the Mahmoudia Canal supplying water to Alexandria 1814-1817 [OTL 1817-1820]. He then surveyed and oversaw the construction of his greatest project= the Bonaparte Canal, joining the Mediterranean and the Red Sea (originally called by the French the Louis Canal, which the Egyptians and other Europeans objected to; called the Muhammad Ali Canal by the Egyptians, which the Europeans objected to, and eventually named after the man who was most responsible for its building), which opened in 1831.
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Sam Houston Raven
Born in Virginia 1793 , Sam Houston's uncle was a delegate to the State of Franklin's founding convention [OTL] After moving there , his family shifted into Tennessee after his father died. Sam, not interested in farming, and estranged from his family, lived for three years with the Cherokee, adopting the name of Raven [OTL] which he later used. Returning to white society, he served under Andrew Jackson in the war against the Creek Indians and later in the campaign against Muskogee. He quarreled with Jackson over Jackson's treatment of the Cherokee, becoming close to Congressman Davy Crockett, who objected to the Cree removal [as he did OTL]. Houston also quarreled with Secretary of War John C. Calhoun, who reprimanded him for wearing Native dress to a meeting between Calhoun and the Cherokee leaders [OTL]. He was himself elected to Congress, at first supporting Jackson but gradually becoming opposed.
After losing reelection over the Cherokee issue, and with the expulsion of the Five Civilised Tribes, he led a large part of the Cherokee and Seminoles to Muskogee. He permanently adopts the name of Raven (in English).
[1] OTL Houston moved in with the Cherokee as a teenager in 1809, living with them for three years, and again lived with them from 1829 to 1832.
Born in Virginia 1793 , Sam Houston's uncle was a delegate to the State of Franklin's founding convention [OTL] After moving there , his family shifted into Tennessee after his father died. Sam, not interested in farming, and estranged from his family, lived for three years with the Cherokee, adopting the name of Raven [OTL] which he later used. Returning to white society, he served under Andrew Jackson in the war against the Creek Indians and later in the campaign against Muskogee. He quarreled with Jackson over Jackson's treatment of the Cherokee, becoming close to Congressman Davy Crockett, who objected to the Cree removal [as he did OTL]. Houston also quarreled with Secretary of War John C. Calhoun, who reprimanded him for wearing Native dress to a meeting between Calhoun and the Cherokee leaders [OTL]. He was himself elected to Congress, at first supporting Jackson but gradually becoming opposed.
After losing reelection over the Cherokee issue, and with the expulsion of the Five Civilised Tribes, he led a large part of the Cherokee and Seminoles to Muskogee. He permanently adopts the name of Raven (in English).
[1] OTL Houston moved in with the Cherokee as a teenager in 1809, living with them for three years, and again lived with them from 1829 to 1832.
Tensions grows along the Mississippi during Jackson's first term. Settlers cross from the USNA, particularly in the lightly-controlled north. In the south, slaves flee across the river to seek refuge in Muskogee (the "Midnight Ferry"), and slave-catchers pursue them into Spanish territory. In 1829, at the start of Jackson's second term, the situation boiled over.
A small and of trappers from the North American Fur Trader's Association, has been trapping, with Spanish permission, at Beaver Rapids. Ioway [Burlington, Iowa]. They send some of their furs back up the Ilinwa river to Lake Mackinac [ Lake Michigan], and on to Montreal, where they could get better prices than from the Spanish monopoly at New Orleans. This was aggravated when a group of religious settlers cross the river and begin homesteading, refusing allegiance to either the Spanish Crown or the Catholic church. Jackson sought to intercede on their behalf, but chose to take offence at what he considered an insulting letter from King Ferdinand VII (neither Jackson nor Ferdinand are particularly even-tempered).
Though Spain has fallen down the rankings compared to France or Britain, Ferdinand is quite confident of being able to take on the USNA, which, while a growing economic power, has neglected both its Army and Navy. He sends a force of Spanish regulars upriver to Ft. St. Louis, where,after reaching the fort, they are defeated by a group of militia who have come down the Ohio River. The French inhabitants seem quite happy to see the Spaniards leave.
Ferdinand decides to assemble a force drawn mostly from Spanish America at New Orleans. The Americanos are not happy about war with the USNA, with whom they have good trading relations. In the USNA itself the southern and western states are eager, but New England, including Benedictia, is opposed. Canada is split- it doesn't particularly want war with Catholic Spain, but new lands, the northern part of which at least will bring prosperity to Montreal, is tempting.
A small and of trappers from the North American Fur Trader's Association, has been trapping, with Spanish permission, at Beaver Rapids. Ioway [Burlington, Iowa]. They send some of their furs back up the Ilinwa river to Lake Mackinac [ Lake Michigan], and on to Montreal, where they could get better prices than from the Spanish monopoly at New Orleans. This was aggravated when a group of religious settlers cross the river and begin homesteading, refusing allegiance to either the Spanish Crown or the Catholic church. Jackson sought to intercede on their behalf, but chose to take offence at what he considered an insulting letter from King Ferdinand VII (neither Jackson nor Ferdinand are particularly even-tempered).
Though Spain has fallen down the rankings compared to France or Britain, Ferdinand is quite confident of being able to take on the USNA, which, while a growing economic power, has neglected both its Army and Navy. He sends a force of Spanish regulars upriver to Ft. St. Louis, where,after reaching the fort, they are defeated by a group of militia who have come down the Ohio River. The French inhabitants seem quite happy to see the Spaniards leave.
Ferdinand decides to assemble a force drawn mostly from Spanish America at New Orleans. The Americanos are not happy about war with the USNA, with whom they have good trading relations. In the USNA itself the southern and western states are eager, but New England, including Benedictia, is opposed. Canada is split- it doesn't particularly want war with Catholic Spain, but new lands, the northern part of which at least will bring prosperity to Montreal, is tempting.