Nein Krieg: A alternative history WWII scenario

September 1st, 1939
A radio on the kitchen cup-board cracks open with the german national anthem and a enthusiastic NSDAP-member begins speaking "Today! Reichsfuhrer Adolf Hitler and Stanisław Mikołajczyk met in Warsaw to discuss the possibility of Poland giving the Providence "Danzig" to the Fatherland. Hitler was qouted as saying in his 4 hour speech to Polish government members and members of the NSDAP. "Polish brothers, German brothers! We must not seek war to solve German unification! We must turn to peacefully discussing the matter and holding votes of what the people want! The Jews and the Marxist hold us back in this world. We must fight together not apart to defeat Marxism and International Jewry!". Hitler toured the historical city of Warsaw and was greeted by many Polish citizens proudly waving the Swastika-flag. Meanwhile, The Polish-German exchange has been opened to give Polish students a taste of National Socialism. The Reich has openly welcomed Danzig in to the German Fatherland and has begun construction of factories in Danzig that will benefit Europe."

January 2nd, 1940
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"Today, Reichsfuhrer Adolph Hitler was invited to America to discuss the topic of Marxism with the leader of the Communist Party of America. Fuhrer Adolph Hitler of course, accepted but with heavy protection. Fuhrer Adolph Hitler toured New York and was openly welcomed by numerous Americans and politicians. When Fuhrer Adolph Hitler was asked about his acceptance of the visit, he was qouted as saying "I seek to not make war in Europe. I once was in World War one and I know that War is terrible and another War will totally devastate Europe beyond repair and possibly leave Marxism and Democracy facing off against one another. I seek to unite Germans not through war, but rather diplomacy.", Fuhrer Adolph Hitler visited the White House and was openly welcomed by President Roosevelt. He was given a carefully-cherographed tour of Washington D.C. Adolph Hitler also paid a visit to the German-American Bund offices in New York where he was welcomed strongly."


November 4th, 1944
"Tonight on CBS news, The German American bund has reached 40,000 members making it the largest National Socialist group currently in America. Anyways.. enough of Nazi-talk, let's focus on tonights poll results. The results ARE IN! Roosevelt has won the 1944 elections! But... it appears that Heinrich Wilhelm will now be the first Senator from the German American Bund. He will lead the fascist-loving state of New York. He delivered his victory speech tonight saying, "It has been a marvelous campaign. It shows the american spirit that we are not a divided nation and that will we lead this nation to Victory against Japan. God-bless the United States and Germany!"


I'm sorry if this doesn't sound plausible. I just made this off the top of my head. I will do another update tomorrow, my hands are tired.
 
Problem is: Hitler wanted the war, Germany needed the war. THanks to the Nazis and their "policies" the country was broke and needed to loot it's neighbours to pay the bills.
 
Problem is: Hitler wanted the war, Germany needed the war. THanks to the Nazis and their "policies" the country was broke and needed to loot it's neighbours to pay the bills.

Maybe if you replaced Hitler with someone more competent like Rudolf Hess or a democratic army general.
 
Maybe if you replaced Hitler with someone more competent like Rudolf Hess or a democratic army general.

:eek: :rolleyes:

Hess? Competent? I can only react in teenage girl fashion. OMG.

Moving on. I am taking a wild guess the POD for this one is well before September 1st. Because otherwise, it sounds Adolf just woke up on September 1st and announced that Poland and Germany are now allies. And that would be ASB.

I am pretty sure that the only way to get Poland to reluctantly ally Germany in the '30s is to have Stalin (or someone else in Moscow if you eliminate Stalin, but more on that later) decide to unilaterally attack Poland. Otherwise, Poland willingly confines herself into the role of a battleground for the benefit of her two neighbors. No sane Polish government will do this on their own accord.

Stalin is very unlikely to act unilaterally in Poland or anywhere else for that matter. He was to risk averse to do this and, unlike Hitler, he knew it was likely to provoke general war, something he did not want. So you'd probably need someone else in Moscow. The problem is how to arrange for this.

One minor nitpick. Heinrich Himmler is the Reichsfuehrer. Adolf Hitler has always been the Fuehrer, without any other title.
 
September 1st, 1939
A radio on the kitchen cup-board cracks open with the german national anthem and a enthusiastic NSDAP-member begins speaking "Today! Reichsfuhrer Adolf Hitler and Stanisław Mikołajczyk met in Warsaw to discuss the possibility of Poland giving the Providence "Danzig" to the Fatherland. Hitler was qouted as saying in his 4 hour speech to Polish government members and members of the NSDAP.

Okay, why the most important person in TTL 1939 Poland is a member of Stronnictwo Ludowe? You need a Polish POD no later than 1930, I believe.
 
If things are much the same as in our timeline, Poland would never give up Danzig, and even in the case that they did give in to Hitlers demards through weakness in the polish political elite, Hitler was gunning for war in the east any way through his 'lebansrum' ideals. War in the east is inevitable unless you butterfly away this very specific aspect of Hitler.

If you do this, then Germany doesn't have a leader who will be so openly bellicose about 'germanic lands in the east' this gives little precident to demarding Danzig unless Hitler only advocates returning West Prussia and Posen to Imperial Germany as pre-WWI german borders.

Even then it's iffy, because if Hitler is demarding pre-WWI german borders, then we also have the region of Alsacs-Lorraine which was lost to the french. The french are not going to sit idle for Poland if after Hitler has got back parts of East Imperial Germany, his next demards are going to be west, and indeed to 'steal' frances great protection in the Maignot line.

If Hitler can only acheive his demards from Poland, he looks weak if he can't do the same for france, which opens up the entire tinderbox of war and conflict again.

Hence it's political suicide either way, unless some other major change in Nazi policy can be reconciled.



Poland as an Ally of Nazi Germany
Unless Stalin has openly threatened Poland, all but to the point of invading then Poland will always attempt to play Germany and the Soviet Union off, this is because Poland doesn't want to become a battleground yet again, and entering either sphere of influence effectively makes them the cannon fodder to Germany or the Soviet Union.

Simmilarly, if Poland joined the Soviet Union, it's cause enough for Germany to invade, if it joins the 'axis' its cause enough for Stalin to invade.

There is the odd notion that a false flag operation could in principle create a situation where the Soviet Union attacks Poland, in which case Hitler and the Nazi'z unilaterally come to Polands aid if they like it or not, but again that's a lot of political ASBness.


Getting Poland in a pro-either ideology position is nigh on impossible to incredibly different without going much much futher back and or changing elements of the first world war, which effectively butterfly away Hitler and the Nazis from ever coming to power.

On that aspect, Poland cannot realistically ever 'ally' with Germany. That's not the same as Germany guranteeing Polish independance and 'defacto' making them part of the Axis, but they are not going to willingly join with Germany unless Stalin become a warmonger greater than Hitler in this era. Rather unlikely in itself.



Thus the premise is very flawed so long as Hitler and history as we know it (for the most part) stays intact.
 
My only nit-pick is, shouldn't it be Kein Krieg? Kein is no as in no quantity, while nein is no as in negative. You don't have any war, not negative war.
 
A tiny note to the nay-sayers - Danzig was not Polish. An agreement is feasible on the basis of Danzig voting for Anschluss and Warsaw really getting something out of agreeing to this with Germany. Poland has its own port at Gdynia.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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