Need Help Writing a Story: POD For an American Communist Revolution.

Warsie

Banned
LOL. True. To which England would reply "Shut up, you Commie Wanker!"

Communist USA: "You Mad that Your Puppets are leaving you and siding with me and Comrade USSR" :p

Yeah I know...I am not a fan of Yaoi fanfiction. My sister (who also loves APH) adores it however. When she saw I was writing a fanfiction, she suggested having a love scene between a USA and a CSA Hetalia. I was more along the lines of "EW!"

And it'll be on fanfiction.net for all the hetaliafans to beat off to :p

Foe Yay! ;)
 
LOL. Actualy, I was consdiering having a Russian Revolution fail in my fanfic.

Which would be better? USSR or Russian Empire?
With the Russian Empire, the idea could be that Communist Party ideologues could use is that Russia and Europe represent a royal gentry and nobility, while the USSA represents the "continuing revolution", citing the evolution of the country from Washington to Lincoln, and finally with the Communist Revolution....
 

Warsie

Banned
LOL. Actualy, I was consdiering having a Russian Revolution fail in my fanfic.

Which would be better? USSR or Russian Empire?

Russian Empire, though IMO the empire is dead the Tsar abdicated as no one was going to stand by him anymore as the system was irrevocably fucked the same way the Qing Dynasty collapsed. There would be a Rusian Democratic Republic that would have to deal with secessionist movements in Central Asia (Basmachi et all), the Caucauses regions (Transcaucasian Democratic Republic) and Europe (Ukrainian nationalists, Belarusian Nationalists, Finnish and Baltic nationalists, Anarchist militias in Ukraine etc)

EDIT: basically the February Revolution happens, and the October revolution fails or something - im not sure what to do about that. Maybe the Mensheviks dont continue the eastern front of europe.
 
With the Russian Empire, the idea could be that Communist Party ideologues could use is that Russia and Europe represent a royal gentry and nobility, while the USSA represents the "continuing revolution", citing the evolution of the country from Washington to Lincoln, and finally with the Communist Revolution....

I do enjoy this idea. :)

Russian Empire, though IMO the empire is dead the Tsar abdicated as no one was going to stand by him anymore as the system was irrevocably fucked the same way the Qing Dynasty collapsed. There would be a Rusian Democratic Republic that would have to deal with secessionist movements in Central Asia (Basmachi et all), the Caucauses regions (Transcaucasian Democratic Republic) and Europe (Ukrainian nationalists, Belarusian Nationalists, Finnish and Baltic nationalists, Anarchist militias in Ukraine etc)

EDIT: basically the February Revolution happens, and the October revolution fails or something - im not sure what to do about that. Maybe the Mensheviks dont continue the eastern front of europe.

Hmmm...not so much this one. However, it is more realistic...
 
Both can ideas can work together. The idea would be that American Communist Party leaders think that Europe and especially Russia are politically backwards citing imperialist tendencies and the issue of parliamentary v. republican government, while thinking of America as being continually ahead of the crowd.

They will look at Russia with its ethnic, political and sectarian violence as an example of how America would have developed without a revolution...

As a side note, Party-approved alternate-history novels might be promoted to promote the idea that without the revolution, the country would have remained fascist under the leaders of the Business Plot....
 
Hehe. For such a bastard, Mao Zedong is suprisingly quotable.

You might be able to use this one for alt-America talking to Britain: "The revolution isn't a tea party"
 

Warsie

Banned
Hmmm...not so much this one. However, it is more realistic...

Cool :)

Uh, I guess a constitutional monarchy then - which already existed. The Tsar's system, hell all of the Russian "Empire" will be teetering with the government officers granting MASSIVE subsidizies and programs like affirmatiove action or whatever to keep the various non-russian groups from leaving.

They will look at Russia with its ethnic, political and sectarian violence as an example of how America would have developed without a revolution...

Yay we get a Black Soviet Socialist Republic!

Also I presume the Mormons get the same treatment? How does conquering....or annexing them going to work? I see something like the Basmachi in Central Asia happening there.

Then again I see something like that in the US southeast too....that and secssion, ethnic/racial conflicts and despotic politics. Quashing that shit will be pretty hard too.

As a side note, Party-approved alternate-history novels might be promoted to promote the idea that without the revolution, the country would have remained fascist under the leaders of the Business Plot....

Well yeah it would've lol, its not even propaganda its flat-out truth :p

At best it'd decay like Francoist Spain with insurgents in places and ethnic minorities committing attack (ATL Black Panthers and Brown Panthers or w/e Chicano nationalist groups in the Southwest?)
 
Something to consider about using the Chinese model/analogue idea is the fact that you can use Cuba as an analogue to Taiwan. Consider the chaos brought by Nationalist and Communist leaders both claiming to represent the "real America"...
 
of FDR kicks in 1932-33 is the other big one

Okay I'm willing to go along with the McKinley one only because it means no Teddy Roosevelt and it may well mean the worst excesses of the Gilded Age continue and militarize the American working classes even more than OTL.

But seriously? FDR dying causes a communist revolution? Why does everyone assume that the death of one person albeit an extremely important one can abruptly cause a country or countries to descend into fascism/communism/anarchism/whatevertheauthorwantsthestorytobeaboutism. We have to look at social trends of the time too, how amenable was Congress to communism? But most importantly, how amenable were the common people (communism's key demographic by nature) to it? The answer is not very, the First Red Scare and the Palmer Raids that followed them had left a bitter taste in American mouths about militant lefties, especially after all that anarchist violence.

FDR dying means a (likely to be rather ineffectual and not do much of anything) Garner presidency that likely gets supplanted not by a Republican, but by a more leftist Democrat, again, Republicans will try and capitalize on Garner being too weak, Democrats will capitalize on him not being left enough, we get Henry Wallace or Huey Long and basically a modified New Deal, no communists.
 
If the Central Powers win the First World War before the US forces properly get over there, there would be a long lingering backlash and instability, especially with "Spanish Flu" seeming IIRC to hit the US mustering points first, then come over to Europe.

The US has basically entered a war in all its self-righteous anger, only to see such war lost before it has done anything much, and huge casualties from disease

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For the leader of the Nationalist "government-in-exile" in Havana, Cuba, I was thinking some appropriate leaders would be General Douglas Macarthur or General George S. Patton.

Just out of curiosity, how safe is Canada in the ATL? Somthing tells me that a Maoist China would be seriously tempted to "liberate" Canada....
 
For the leader of the Nationalist "government-in-exile" in Havana, Cuba, I was thinking some appropriate leaders would be General Douglas Macarthur or General George S. Patton.

Just out of curiosity, how safe is Canada in the ATL? Somthing tells me that a Maoist China would be seriously tempted to "liberate" Canada....

In a word, how? How does China in this ATL get what it would need to launch an invasion of Canada?
 

Warsie

Banned
For the leader of the Nationalist "government-in-exile" in Havana, Cuba, I was thinking some appropriate leaders would be General Douglas Macarthur or General George S. Patton.

So I take it Cuba was conquered by the US somehow during the revolution, by the Fascists or whatnot attempting to form an American Empire? If so Im sure the fascists tried annexing Canada and Mexico too.

If this is so, the preexisting racial issues in Cuba between whites and blacks, as well as the conflict between the 'anglo' and 'hispano' white leaders will lead to a lot of shit. You think Taiwan's ethnic tensions between the 'mainlanders' and natives (including the stuff with taiwanese aborigines) was bad? Imagine this going on. Yeah the communists would bwe able to destabilize this like a motherfucker, or some sort of reforms would be needed. Given these are probably fascists in the Germany or whatever fashion, and not Brazilian fascists the racial aspect will be made worse.

I doubt the 'government in exile' will last long and not be overthrown itself basically.

Just out of curiosity, how safe is Canada in the ATL? Somthing tells me that a Maoist China would be seriously tempted to "liberate" Canada....

I'm sure Quebec gets into something given there are still nationalism. The 'Quiet Revolution' might take place earlier, with removing the Catholic stranglehood.

Something to consider about using the Chinese model/analogue idea is the fact that you can use Cuba as an analogue to Taiwan. Consider the chaos brought by Nationalist and Communist leaders both claiming to represent the "real America"...

Remember this is a hetalia wan......err fanfiction, not a detailed timeline. :p

Speaking of that, there has to be separate black america character haha. Communist doctrine and all that.

EDIT: honestly I would prefer a Spanish Civil War analogue more, with the whole 'anarchist militias of the IWW going out and having international brigades from South America, Cuba, and China working.

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Have Karl Marx move to Texas in the 1840s or 50s as he had once planned to.
Depending on when you do this, that could change a large part of his thought (Capital vol. 1 was published in 1867, various other major works were published over the course of the late 1840s and 50s) or even butterfly away part of his prominence since he won't have Engels to collaborate with/deal with his unpublished work after his death. So you could get some interesting changes in Marxism(maybe stronger anti-authoritarian overtones?) or even have another variety of socialism become more prominent ITTL.
EDIT: Out of curiosity, where did you see this? It seems like kind of an interesting factoid.
 
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