Need a Good PoD

I'm thinking of writing an ATL set during the twentieth century, but I simply can't think of a good PoD that hasn't been done to death before. What PoD set in the twentieth century (preferably the first half, though anything is fine) would you guys like to see happen?

My hopes of an end goal for this is for tech to be slightly farther ahead than OTL and for there to be an alternate Cold War with the United States becoming more and more authoritarian.
 
Last edited:
All right. Off the top of my head....

Italy makes a separate peace with Germany. 1917/18.


Italy stays a monarchy, thus leading to more calm Italian politics and allow for more stable and longer lasting governments.

Hitler listen to his generals in 1941/42, allowing greater German success in the USSR. (But done a lot, but still.)

Greece wins the Greco-Turkish War.

America joins World War 1, but comes to Europe too late, and the CP wins WW1. (Been done, but just not too many this way.)

Lenin killed in 1918, longer, and worst Russian Civil War.

Nixon wins in 1960: Invasion of Cuba.

Umberto I of Italy survives: Italian CP?

A Pancho Villa Mexico?

Boxers killed everyone in the diplomatic quarter in Peking
: Near total break up of China in Western rage.

Prohibition fails in the US: Stops rise of Organized crime?

William Gibbs McAdoo runs in 1928, and wins the election.
 
All right. Off the top of my head....

Italy makes a separate peace with Germany. 1917/18.


Italy stays a monarchy, thus leading to more calm Italian politics and allow for more stable and longer lasting governments.

Hitler listen to his generals in 1941/42, allowing greater German success in the USSR. (But done a lot, but still.)

Greece wins the Greco-Turkish War.

America joins World War 1, but comes to Europe too late, and the CP wins WW1. (Been done, but just not too many this way.)

Lenin killed in 1918, longer, and worst Russian Civil War.

Nixon wins in 1960: Invasion of Cuba.

Umberto I of Italy survives: Italian CP?

A Pancho Villa Mexico?

Boxers killed everyone in the diplomatic quarter in Peking
: Near total break up of China in Western rage.

Prohibition fails in the US: Stops rise of Organized crime?

William Gibbs McAdoo runs in 1928, and wins the election.
These are all very good suggestions! The ones that sound most interesting to me are the Greco-Turkish War and Italian ideas. I'll start looking into these!
 
Mao loses the Chinese Civil War?

That been done a lot, and the KMT was just so corrupt, I can't say China under the KMT would do that good. No Cultural Revolution and Five-year plans of China would be big boons, but the KMT can fucked up China as bad as Mao ever could.
 
We bail out of SE Asia in the early sixties.
The military still has the same budget as OTL, but rather than be frittered away bombing the jungle back into the stone age, that money is spent on more strategic arms, plus strategic defense, plus space weapons. Also NASA gets a nice boost.
However, Indochina collapses quickly, maybe even followed by Thailand and Burma, so by 1968 a dismayed US elects Curtiss Lemay, or somebody from the John Birch Society, or some other hardliner, to run the nation and put a stop to the Commie juggernaut. Less resistance from the kiddos; as getting drafted means doing technical work on a Spartan missile installation, not slogging around chasing VC.
 
Looking at your post history about a Neo Byzantine Empire in the 20th century, I had an idea while doing my own post war TL that you might be interested in.

Basically, the Communist faction wins in the Greek Civil War. When the Tito-Stalin split happens, communist Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania form their own little Comintern. When the Istanbul Pogroms happen in the 1950s, the Yugoslav bloc intervenes, creating a Thracian Republic with Istanbul (or Titograd as the case may be) as it's capital. Africa and the Middle East would be additional areas to expand by backing communist movements and regimes there.

So you'd get a communist Byzantine Empire with tanks.

Second idea I had: a Neo Crusader state in the 20th century. Greece flips to communism again, so the British are reluctant to give up the Dodecanese Islands and Cyprus to Greece. So they decide to create a Dominion consisting of Malta, the Dodecanese and Cyprus. To make the federation between Maltese and Greeks work, they decide to embrace the identity of the old Knights Hospitaller, which historically held both Malta and Rhodes. They'd eventually abandon the British Monarchy and make the Grandmaster of the Knights as head of state. They intervene in the Arab-Isreali wars as a third faction, siding with the Maronite Christians in Lebanon.

So you get Crusaders with tanks.

For extra craziness, have both tank crusaders and tank byzantines existing in the same world as bitter enemies.
 
What if Hitler delays the invasion of the USSR until 1942? POD could be that it takes longer than OTL to cleanup Mussolini's mess in Yugoslavia and Greece. Knock on effects could be a decision to do more to push the British out of the Med. More resources are given to taking Malta and Rommel's North African force. I saw on a "What if" video that there was an alternate plan proposed to Hitler to secure North Africa and the Middle East first to open up a second front against the USSR via the Caucuses. This also opens up the possibility of more cooperation with the Japanese once the Suez Canal is seized.
 
Looking at your post history about a Neo Byzantine Empire in the 20th century, I had an idea while doing my own post war TL that you might be interested in.

Basically, the Communist faction wins in the Greek Civil War. When the Tito-Stalin split happens, communist Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania form their own little Comintern. When the Istanbul Pogroms happen in the 1950s, the Yugoslav bloc intervenes, creating a Thracian Republic with Istanbul (or Titograd as the case may be) as it's capital. Africa and the Middle East would be additional areas to expand by backing communist movements and regimes there.

So you'd get a communist Byzantine Empire with tanks.

Second idea I had: a Neo Crusader state in the 20th century. Greece flips to communism again, so the British are reluctant to give up the Dodecanese Islands and Cyprus to Greece. So they decide to create a Dominion consisting of Malta, the Dodecanese and Cyprus. To make the federation between Maltese and Greeks work, they decide to embrace the identity of the old Knights Hospitaller, which historically held both Malta and Rhodes. They'd eventually abandon the British Monarchy and make the Grandmaster of the Knights as head of state. They intervene in the Arab-Isreali wars as a third faction, siding with the Maronite Christians in Lebanon.

So you get Crusaders with tanks.

For extra craziness, have both tank crusaders and tank byzantines existing in the same world as bitter enemies.
This actually does interest me very much. I'm thinking I could combine this with the Greek victory in the Greco-Turkish War idea. I trust you won't mind if I take this up?
 
A few more.

Korean War ends in 1951
: Larger North Korea, and a South Korea without Seoul and the Han River.

Pueblo incident restarts Korean War: LBJ have to deal with both North Korea rushing at South Korea, and the Tet Offensive.

National Glory: KMT invades the Mainland in the 1960s.

M79 did a Red Greece outline. Did not end well for them.

Henry Tandey pulls the trigger.

Someone ever better then Hitler rise to power, and ATL Nazis conquers all of Europe. Or Hitler lives, and does not goes easy on the English.
 
But didn't the Italians hold the Dodecanese at this time?

After World War 2 they were occupied by Britain and they didn't give them back to the Greeks until 1947. If the Provos win the Greek Civil War, the Brits wouldn't cede an inch to a communist government. Realistically it would host a Greek Government in exile a la Taiwan, but I'm suggesting something different.
 
Looking at your post history about a Neo Byzantine Empire in the 20th century, I had an idea while doing my own post war TL that you might be interested in.

Basically, the Communist faction wins in the Greek Civil War. When the Tito-Stalin split happens, communist Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania form their own little Comintern. When the Istanbul Pogroms happen in the 1950s, the Yugoslav bloc intervenes, creating a Thracian Republic with Istanbul (or Titograd as the case may be) as it's capital. Africa and the Middle East would be additional areas to expand by backing communist movements and regimes there.

So you'd get a communist Byzantine Empire with tanks.

Second idea I had: a Neo Crusader state in the 20th century. Greece flips to communism again, so the British are reluctant to give up the Dodecanese Islands and Cyprus to Greece. So they decide to create a Dominion consisting of Malta, the Dodecanese and Cyprus. To make the federation between Maltese and Greeks work, they decide to embrace the identity of the old Knights Hospitaller, which historically held both Malta and Rhodes. They'd eventually abandon the British Monarchy and make the Grandmaster of the Knights as head of state. They intervene in the Arab-Isreali wars as a third faction, siding with the Maronite Christians in Lebanon.

So you get Crusaders with tanks.

For extra craziness, have both tank crusaders and tank byzantines existing in the same world as bitter enemies.

Why Brits would revive some Catholic organisations?
 
Top