Nazi victory impact on Spain and Portugal

In regards to Britain going fascists do not say no. The loss of face to Germany would of rocked the British politics and a more right wing party could of emerged.

Because British defeat in Suez in the Napoleonic Wars the loss of India and Singapore all contributed to the rise of a major far-right party correct? Even so Said far-right party in your circumstances would likely be vehemently anti-german so your point still doesn't stand

As for the Iberian peninsula I think that unlike Britain Germany not need to build a fleet and battle RN to invade. All they had to do is send their troops over the Pyrenees mountains. So unless the US launches a surprise invasion of the Iberian peninsula like they did North Africa the two countries open themselves up to invasion from Germany.

Yes and Germany would likely find Spain far more useful as a conduit to international trade instead of you know invading and pacifying and feeding a major war-torn country led by a friendly ruler

Neither would Portugal and Spain trust the US.

They'd trust America a hell of lot more than anyone would trust Germany with an clear record of backstabbing and breaking every treaty they have ever signed
 
In regards to Britain going fascists do not say no. The loss of face to Germany would of rocked the British politics and a more right wing party could of emerged.

As for the Iberian peninsula I think that unlike Britain Germany not need to build a fleet and battle RN to invade. All they had to do is send their troops over the Pyrenees mountains. So unless the US launches a surprise invasion of the Iberian peninsula like they did North Africa the two countries open themselves up to invasion from Germany.

Now if the US declares that the Iberian peninsula is under its nuclear umbrella which till fifties was only a few nuclear weapons and be prepared to back it up when Germany invades I not trust them to follow through.

Neither would Portugal and Spain trust the US.
The USA would have to treat Spain like it treated South Korea IOTL: heavy American troop presence, which have to be deployed before Germany can invade, so if Germany invades, it's war with the USA.
 

Lusitania

Donor
The USA would have to treat Spain like it treated South Korea IOTL: heavy American troop presence, which have to be deployed before Germany can invade, so if Germany invades, it's war with the USA.
Correct I agree and stated before that the movement of troops into the Iberian peninsula need to be fast and a surprise. Similar to North Africa 1942. If they announce it or gernany feels its going to happen then I see them move forward with invasion. So will the two countries risk it or stay neutral? Try trade with both sides like during WWII.

How USA gets both countries into their side will be the important part. If both can break away they would. But I do not think they take chance of invasion by Germany to announce their movement to the Allied camp.

Will the US use nuclear weapons on Germany if they invade Spain/Portugal?

Also while the US did treat both Japan and Korea well and both countries were able to rebound very well. We need to realize that till WWII the world’s opinion of the US was based on their behavior in Carribean, Mexico and Central America. Not the best or references.

Not saying Nazi germany better. At that time nobody knew about concentration camps and horrors being committed in east. Both Portugal and Spain had fascist type governments that were not squeamish about trampling on rights of those it felt were a threat to the country.
 
Not saying Nazi germany better. At that time nobody knew about concentration camps and horrors being committed in east

Left to right Versaille, Munich, Anti-Comintern Pact then Molotov-Ribbentrop from the grand scheme of things Germany looks like a pretty poor power to trust and Franco knew it also may I remind you Salazar also wasn't much of a fan of Hitler?
 
i seem to remember reading that a number of famous Spanish paintings (i want to say Dali?) were at risk of being destroyed by the Nazis for whatever reason and were either elaborately hidden or smuggled out of the country to protect them
 

Cook

Banned
How do you figure 'allied'?

During the Battle of the Atlantic, German U-boats were able to replenish and rearm in Cadiz and the Azores and Luftwaffe long range reconnaissance aircraft would fly from airfields near Carunna out into the mid-Atlantic and on to Norway, passing north of the Shetlands. The Spanish also provided an army division for the war in Russia.
The Spanish only stopped the German use of their airfields and ports following the Allied landings in North Africa, and Franco didn't withdraw the Blue Division from the Eastern Front until 1944.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Left to right Versaille, Munich, Anti-Comintern Pact then Molotov-Ribbentrop from the grand scheme of things Germany looks like a pretty poor power to trust and Franco knew it also may I remind you Salazar also wasn't much of a fan of Hitler?
Oh Salazar detested the Nazis and was horrified at the anti-Semitic laws of 1938. before war he advised Portuguese diplomats to protect all Portuguese citizens in Germany even if Jews.

So yes both were very aware of Germany record but the Americans also were not very “nice” friendly. In Portugal’s case they threatened to attack Azores, stop all sale of oil and coal to Portugal due to its trade with Germany. Only thing that stopped them was Britain.

FYI
Many have attributed that it was the Portuguese influence that kept Spain out of Axis. One person who beloved that was Winston Churchill who gave Salazar a letter to that affect and stated publicly that Portugal greatest contribution to the allied war effort was to keep the Spanish from joining the Axis.

Now I have read lots about how wonderful the American protection is and so forth what I have not read is on how the Americans get the two Iberian countries to their side. How the US prevents a triumphant germany from crossing the Pyrenees mountains.

Do that and Portugal/Spain join US camp. Otherwise they stay neutral.
 
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