Isn't Franco too secured following the Spanish civil war to be overthrown ?if someone overthrows Franco and inserts a puppet.
Isn't Franco too secured following the Spanish civil war to be overthrown ?
Isn't Franco too secured following the Spanish civil war to be overthrown ?
Neither the Portuguese nor Spanish leaders faced much in way of internal opposition. What opposition that existed iOTL was in part bolstered by democratic countries next door to it. The domination of axis in Europe would in many ways blunt the emergence of opposition parties.
Both Portugal and Spain had not participated in the war due to lack of industry and military force that would of provided Germany with a strong ally as well as inability of Germany to provide security to the Iberian peninsula.
So I would expect both countries which were neutral but friendly to Nazi germany to continue. Germany had no need to spend resources and loose men fighting a war that was not needed. Both countries would of towed axis line and joined something like Nazi EEC.
Would Spain and Portugal ally themselves with Germany or the Western Allies
How do you figure 'allied'? If being a signatory to the Anti-Comintern pact means that a country is allied to Germany, then El Salvador and Turkey could be considered as German allies.Spain already was allied to Germany, just as a 'non-belligerent',
I think the USA would want Spain as an ally, as it provides with a foothold in Nazi dominated Europe. And at the end of the day, as long as the USA commits itself to the military defense of Spain if the Third Reich comes calling, the USA has a lot more to offer to Spain than Nazi Germany. The USA can offer trade, food, can help to build up Spain's economy. What can a Nazi Germany busy in annihilating dozens of millions of people offer Spain? The promise not to invade?
I'm going with an American-Nazi Cold War in which the UK, Spain and Portugal are in the American side
Lets go with 1945 or 1946When would the Armistice with the Allies take place? I am not seeing it happen prior to Pearl Harbor. The earliest USSR be knocked out would be 1942. BY then the USA already involved in war against Axis. Remember it was Germany who declared war on USA. Is a Nazi Germany drunk on success in the east going to not declare war on USA?
Free trade with the rest of the world expect with the United states, Britain, and coTo that effect what would the armistice provide? Free trade for the Axis or would it entail a continued embargo?
Yes because I would see Britain facist government also rising up. Plus the Portuguese never trusted the US. Heck I would not.I’ve always seen it more likely in the case of a Nazi victory in WW2, that Spain and Portugal would ally with their fellow fascist Catholics in Italy and be allied with Germany in an ally-of-my-ally way.
Lets go with 1945 or 1946
Free trade with the rest of the world expect with the United states, Britain, and co
What kind of EEC can Nazi Germany create? Remember it's a regime intended in killing 90% of the occupied USSR population to make room for German farmers: urban citizens with experience in the industrial or service sector who would go to start a new life as farmers in a devastated land. Even if that in itself doesn't hurt the German economy (and it would), a Nazi led Germany would prioritize work for Germans, at the expense of the rest of Europe. Why would they do anything to promote jobs in non occupied nations?In these cases I would see Portugal trying to maintain their neutral stand but leaning towards what ever major political movement is happening in Europe. That would be where any threat would come not from the USA. So I would see Nazi centered free trade zone sort of like EEC.
What kind of EEC can Nazi Germany create? Remember it's a regime intended in killing 90% of the occupied USSR population to make room for German farmers: urban citizens with experience in the industrial or service sector who would go to start a new life as farmers in a devastated land. Even if that in itself doesn't hurt the German economy (and it would), a Nazi led Germany would prioritize work for Germans, at the expense of the rest of Europe. Why would they do anything to promote jobs in non occupied nations?
On the contrary, the USA can open its massive domestic market (well, to a point), subsidize the Spanish and Portuguese economy and, essentially, prop them up as they did to Japan and South Korea IOTL. And even more urgent, the USA is a net exporter of food. I don't know about Portugal, but Spain desperately needed food in the years after the Civil War. Continental Europe would be recovering from a war, the Nazis would be enforcing idiotic agrarian policies and prioritizing the bellies of ethnic Germans. Spain won't be importing food from the Third Reich any time soon. On the contrary, the Third Reich will be needing to import food for quite a while, because I don't think Eastern Europe food production would ever recover to pre-war levels.
But the USA wouldn't have so many targets for the Marshall Plan eitherOk Forget the Slavic population what you will have would be Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia (maybe Lithuania), You got Netherlands, Belgium, France ( or multiple France), Portugal, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. You may also see Britain and Ireland join depending on if the government there fall to Fascists. You also have Turkey, Iraq and Persia that could be included, As well as other eastern Europe nations created from the former USSR. South Africa could be part of it.
PS the only way real possibility that there be an armstrice would be for Germany to develop nuclear weapons at same time as the Americans.
Also while the USA may have the surpluses they would not be subsidizing the world forever, they did not do it iOTL and would not do it with Nazi Victory.
Ok Forget the Slavic population what you will have would be Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia (maybe Lithuania), You got Netherlands, Belgium, France ( or multiple France), Portugal, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.
You may also see Britain and Ireland join depending on if the government there fall to Fascists. You also have Turkey, Iraq and Persia that could be included, As well as other eastern Europe nations created from the former USSR. South Africa could be part of it.
Also while the USA may have the surpluses they would not be subsidizing the world forever, they did not do it iOTL and would not do it with Nazi Victory.
All of whom would be German puppet states of one form or another with their economies prostituted to Germanies and with German companies receiving preferential treatment and most whom have been devastated by war and also a fair number of the nations on that list would have been integrated within a Greater Germany so no I don't see Franco going that route
That's not happening unless of course, the German uber man do Sealion via fiat in which there is no reason said Uber men can force Iberia to bend to their will
The US also isn't pumping billions into Western Europe