Nazi victory, How much of Siberia could China annex.

Say the Nazis win on the Eastern front by 1942 or 1943 and the Pacific War goes like otl. How of Siberia could a Communist or Nationalist China annex off a rump Soviet State.
 
I could see the Left-Communist controlled areas of China "joining" with the USSR on the notion of either hanging together or hanging separately. Of course, they probably can't take control of Nationalist China...
 
If the Pacific theatre follows the same trajectory as OTL (doubtful) neither side of the Chinese Civil War would be able to seize any kind of territory from a defeated Soviet state.

The Nationalists would have to spend years if not decades getting their house in order and ending the communist insurgency after the Japanese are forced to surrender in 1945. Best I can think of for a victorious Guomindang China, would be some kind of limited war between Jiang Jiesi and a remnant independent Mongolian People’s Republic ending in Chinese suzerainty over Outer Mongolia. But that would have to be sometime in the 1960s.

As for Mao... without Stalin’s Soviet steamroller to hand him over all that nice Manchurian industry and Japanese war material gift wrapped as in OTL, I have a hard time seeing him winning the civil war at all. Which kinda makes the question moot, the ideological issues aside.
 
Say the Nazis win on the Eastern front by 1942 or 1943 and the Pacific War goes like otl. How of Siberia could a Communist or Nationalist China annex off a rump Soviet State.
Isn’t China in a war with Japan at the time? I think it would focus more on taking back its homeland than fighting off a potentially dangerous enemy.

Though I think Japan would capitalize on this opportunity and take Siberia, and later in the Peace treaty China might get back its unequal treaty land, while the rest of Siberia could be an American puppet state, rump soviet state or wholly annexed by China depending if America lets her.
 
Why China would conquer Siberia? Rump USSR surely would fight about its last remnants so hard that China would decide that not worth of that. And probably USA and UK would give that some support anyway.
 
Not sure maybe Stalin purges more ?
Yes but, if "Pacific War goes like otl" that means that the USAAF will be sitting in GB and even if they don't get round to D-day come B29 silver plate time Berlin may become unpleasant to live in.

USA/GB are not going to agree terms with Nazis post 41 and they agreed Germany first so even if the Soviets lose China and what its doing in Siberia is really irrelevant? (and will be determined by what happens in the west)
 
How does this work exactly? Would the B29s not be dropping over Berlin...?
And if Germany has defeated the USSR why does that matter? Atomic bombs were not that powerful, nor were they making enough of them to just end the war right then and there. And if Germany is still in the war then Japan is likely to continue the fight for many more months so it's not like there won't be reasons to expend bombs there too.
 
And if Germany has defeated the USSR why does that matter? Atomic bombs were not that powerful, nor were they making enough of them to just end the war right then and there. And if Germany is still in the war then Japan is likely to continue the fight for many more months so it's not like there won't be reasons to expend bombs there too.
If the Pacific is going as OTL then Japan is simply starved out, USA(+GB and allies) then fights Germany to the death, by this point nobody is going to negotiate with 10 years of lies and the obvious atrocities to the east.... USA and allies are simply going to be too powerful and rich even without the Soviets so will win some time 46+.

Then they will decide what to do with China/Russian border. Probably give large parts to China as the Russian/Soviets are mostly busy repopulating the western areas?

Without the end of the war the US would build bombs far more quickly than OTL when it cut down producing and priority after the war for a few years.
 
Why China would conquer Siberia? Rump USSR surely would fight about its last remnants so hard that China would decide that not worth of that. And probably USA and UK would give that some support anyway.
China has claimed at least some sovereignty over it simce before Russia existed, and the two have been fighting over it since the early 17th C.

Russia's on the ropes - great time to kick 'em. And the US would be far more likey to be sending aid to the Chinese.
 
Russia's on the ropes - great time to kick 'em. And the US would be far more likey to be sending aid to the Chinese.

Neither the GMD nor the CCP would be in any position to assert any claims on the Soviet Union at the time of OTL’s defeat of Japan. Which, for the record, might in turn be altered by the lack of Soviet troops kicking the Kwangtung Army in the nuts.
 
Would they want it? And I'd think too that they'd be too busy fighting Japanese, Commies and independent warlords.

A nominal claim may suffice.
 
Why China would conquer Siberia? Rump USSR surely would fight about its last remnants so hard that China would decide that not worth of that. And probably USA and UK would give that some support anyway.
Restoring national prestige is one thing, even if conquering a rump state is easy and not prestigious, it’s better than getting gobbled up by western imperialist Powers.
 
Restoring national prestige is one thing, even if conquering a rump state is easy and not prestigious, it’s better than getting gobbled up by western imperialist Powers.

... western Imperialist powers who've already made it clear that China is going to have a seat at the table in the new international order, and are too exhausted to "gobble up" anything anyways. Plus, while the Soviets might have been beaten back over the Urals they're still an industrial state with modern military equipment: the campaign would be long, bloody, and expensive if they chose to resist, which are resources China can't afford to spend
 
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