Nazi regime removed from power 1938 how the world will evolve?

Depending on regime that succeeds the Nazis, they may be perfectly happy to leave Czechoslovakia be. Austria, especially after a coup d'état in Greater Germany, will be enough to digest. If the new government is mostly conservative military types, they may well follow a Bismarckian policy of avoiding too many non-Germans in an enlarged Germany.
 
Depending on regime that succeeds the Nazis, they may be perfectly happy to leave Czechoslovakia be. Austria, especially after a coup d'état in Greater Germany, will be enough to digest. If the new government is mostly conservative military types, they may well follow a Bismarckian policy of avoiding too many non-Germans in an enlarged Germany.


For how long?

Their eastern border will be so absurdly convoluted that it's a pretty foregone conclusion that sooner or later someone will want to do something about it.
 
How about he Sudetenland?

If Germany keeps Austria, that leaves Czechoslovakia looking like a banana shoved up Germany's bum. In such a situation, isn't it only a matter of time before that claim is renewed?

Realistically I assume Germany would be very eager to get Bohemia and Moravia back into the fold, they might leave Slovakia a satellite state since those are Slavic peoples, assuming a "Velvet Revolution" earlier, but the Czechs are too "Germanic" and too bound to the old Austro-Hungarian Empire to let stay independent without some efforts, not to mention the strategic implications. Obviously it would not be by blunt force but if the economy of the Czech state falters enough they may see joining in as a return to how it was back in the glory days of the A-H Empire, it might spark off the movement to build nations rather than independent states if the post-war rebuilding follows the same logic that led ultimately to the EU. And if it is truly a peaceful union into a Federal Germany, that would be revolutionary for Europe.
 
Realistically I assume Germany would be very eager to get Bohemia and Moravia back into the fold, they might leave Slovakia a satellite state since those are Slavic peoples, assuming a "Velvet Revolution" earlier, but the Czechs are too "Germanic" and too bound to the old Austro-Hungarian Empire to let stay independent without some efforts, not to mention the strategic implications. Obviously it would not be by blunt force but if the economy of the Czech state falters enough they may see joining in as a return to how it was back in the glory days of the A-H Empire, it might spark off the movement to build nations rather than independent states if the post-war rebuilding follows the same logic that led ultimately to the EU. And if it is truly a peaceful union into a Federal Germany, that would be revolutionary for Europe.


I only meant the Sudetenland, not the rest of Bohemia/Moravia. That was mostly German in population. They might be looking toward some kind of union with the Czech lands too, but that would have to be on hold at least for quite a while..
 
Any thoughts on what party is likely to inherit the NSDAP vote?

On this TL, Hitler has not been discredited by defeat - just murdered by a clique of mutinous officers - so there'll be millions of voters around who think he "did a lot of good" and that the military junta is just a second bunch of November Criminals. How long before a neo-Nazi party is one of the two or three biggest in the Reichstag?
 
Any thoughts on what party is likely to inherit the NSDAP vote?

On this TL, Hitler has not been discredited by defeat - just murdered by a clique of mutinous officers - so there'll be millions of voters around who think he "did a lot of good" and that the military junta is just a second bunch of November Criminals. How long before a neo-Nazi party is one of the two or three biggest in the Reichstag?

Maybe they try to integrate them into a "National Movement".

As for elections, I don't think they will have them; furthermore, Dachau and thé like will be kept for reluctant Nazis.
 

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If the army oust the Nazis I doubt return to democracy would happen any time fast. The army was not exactly pro- democracy and would most likely consider the Nazis as the logical conclusion of such mob rule. And the threat of Communist victory or even worse, those pesky Social Democrats. There would probably have been a military government for some time.
 
If the army oust the Nazis I doubt return to democracy would happen any time fast. The army was not exactly pro- democracy and would most likely consider the Nazis as the logical conclusion of such mob rule. And the threat of Communist victory or even worse, those pesky Social Democrats. There would probably have been a military government for some time.

So they are suppressing Nazis, Communists and Social Democrats all at the same time. Doesn't sound like a very stable regime, esp if quite a few officers are in sympathy with the Nazis.
 
Well it would be a boon for people of Yugoslavia. In 1939 Croats and Serbs have mostly settled their internal arrangements and it was the war in '41 that brought to an end the chance of turning Yugoslavia into a functioning multi-ethnic state.
 
It is quite likely that the military would restore the Monarchy. I have some doubt if either Kaiser Wilhelm II or his son would ever sit on the throne. The former Crown Prince because he got too close to the Nazi's. So it would have to be one of the grandchildren if a Hohenzollern was to sit on the throne. I would expect that the military and the intelligence service would make public a lot of the things that the Nazis had done or were planning on doing. That might very well cool support for the Nazi's. It is likely that the military would attempt to restore the more centrist to Center Right parties of the 2nd Reich like the Catholic Center Party. Thus the German government that come to power would be unlike that which had ruled Germany after WWI
 
I would expect that the military and the intelligence service would make public a lot of the things that the Nazis had done or were planning on doing. That might very well cool support for the Nazi's.

What had they done as of 1938? The Holocaust was still years in the future.

They had of course put their political opponents behind barbed wire, but no doubt the generals would be doing that as well.
 
Seen this subject come up a few times before. One of the questions is what happens to the Jews in Germany. By late 1938 they had lost their employment, the majority of their wealth and property, and any real life in Germany for at least a generation. Would the whole thing be swept under the rug? I'm unsure thats possible. It could become very divisive for several decades. One long term solution is to support some sort of emmigration policy & pay the Jews to leave. That would probablly be far cheaper than some sort of difficult property restoration program.

There is a misunderstand here, as is common, about the relative popularity of the nazis & their government. They were very popular among a hefty slice of the German population, but it was not universal. One factor disgusing their real standing was that anyone expressing discontent would eventually be visited by several SA men. That was the primary role of SA, to push people off sidewalks, restrict acess to voting stations, vandalize property, collect protection money. Another hefty slice of the German population suffered more than a little from this intimidation. It is correct the Germans cheeered the nazis, but it was as much due to the club at their back as for what the nazis did.

After they came to power the police and bueracracy were made part of the this. if you were not a recognized nazi supporter you could forget about getting a license or permit from some local clerk.
 

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Seen this subject come up a few times before. One of the questions is what happens to the Jews in Germany. By late 1938 they had lost their employment, the majority of their wealth and property, and any real life in Germany for at least a generation. Would the whole thing be swept under the rug? I'm unsure thats possible. It could become very divisive for several decades. One long term solution is to support some sort of emmigration policy & pay the Jews to leave. That would probablly be far cheaper than some sort of difficult property restoration program.

There is a misunderstand here, as is common, about the relative popularity of the nazis & their government. They were very popular among a hefty slice of the German population, but it was not universal. One factor disgusing their real standing was that anyone expressing discontent would eventually be visited by several SA men. That was the primary role of SA, to push people off sidewalks, restrict acess to voting stations, vandalize property, collect protection money. Another hefty slice of the German population suffered more than a little from this intimidation. It is correct the Germans cheeered the nazis, but it was as much due to the club at their back as for what the nazis did.

After they came to power the police and bueracracy were made part of the this. if you were not a recognized nazi supporter you could forget about getting a license or permit from some local clerk.
As it was over half of German Jews had left before WW2. Not sure about Austrian or Czech Jews. Unwinding the theft of property would be wildly unpopular with people that benefited and as it was Jews were mostly eliminated from public life as it was. Likely they'd remove the laws against Jews, but have a 'what's done is done' policy in terms of looted properties. Considering how small the Jewish population was by 1939 within German held territories, IMHO they would just start winding down anti-semitic laws quietly and slowly, as they'd need to unwind all sorts of crazy Nazi laws, especially in things like education. Probably in the long term they'd field compensation claims in courts of law from emigrated Jews. The problem with paying Jews to leave is that most countries refused to take them, so they really had no where to go and that IOTL led to the Madagascar Plan being explored.

AFAIK in terms of popularity the party as a whole wasn't very popular, especially not in Berlin, which was very working class. Places like Vienna and in Austria they were quite popular, but in general the corruption and incompetence of the Nazi regime made them unpopular pre-war. The thing was Hitler personally was quite popular and had a Bismarck in his own time reputation. Gestapo informants were used to keep tabs on popular opinion and from what I can tell from Ian Kersahw's work those records survived and he consulted them to get a picture about how the German public felt at various periods, so it would seem there is some regime documentation about what the public privately thought. The SA was gone by 1935, so they weren't really a factor in public opinion by then, but yes the SA were wildly unpopular outside their ranks, which is why they were purged in the Night of Long Knives.

BTW here is an interesting book written in the Nazi period about how it was like to live under the Nazi economy: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Vampire_Economy.html?id=zpQJMaz-fTIC
Forgive the crazy libertarian publisher, but it does get into the crazy regulations that were crippling the non-armaments economy.
 
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