Nazi plans for US

What was the Nazi's plans for the US if they managed to (impossibly) conquer the US? Would they divide it into several different countries to make occupation easier? Would they set up a puppet state? What were their plans?
 
And: http://www.amazon.com/TARGET-AMERICA-Hitlers-Attack-United/dp/0275966844 are the Third Reich's plans for a projected series of worldwide offensives using the new secret weapons emerging from wartime research. the book also recounts other Axis schemes to attack American cities through the use of multi stage missiles, submarine-launched rockets, and suicide missions against ships in the New York harbor. Taken together, these plans reveal just how determined the Axis powers were to attack the United States.
 
staff officers have always did papers for possible wars and contingencies. but i never took any concerning the invasion or annihilation of US that seriously. hindsightly, its like me making plans for a Grand Threesome with Beyonce and Carmen Electra while still dealing with a nagging wife, crazy in laws, a half wit boss and ungrateful kids.
 
a Nazi vs US Cold War more likely?

Some kind of a Cold War between a fascist, Nazi Reich-led continental Europe (including "Germanized" Russia west of Ural mountains) and USA (allied with Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain/Commonwealth etc.) might have been possible. Both sides armed with nukes and ICBM's.

But outright conquering the United States? Impossible, I'd say. The country is just too damn large, geographically (just like Russia). And there is also that little pond called the Atlantic Ocean...

I believe the Nazis were behind in nuclear technology during WW2 - they just never did get the stuff exactly right. US probably would have had nukes earlier than the Reich any way. So if the Nazis would have been suicidal enough to a-bomb New York City/Washington/whatever later on, Berlin/Germania and "several" other Reich cities would have been atomized in a massive counter-strike. So, M.A.D. and Cold War etc.
 

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There is, supposedly, a sequel to Mein Kampf where Hitler waxes poetic on plans to clear the U.S. of it's minorities and Jews, leaving only what he thought was the decendants of best of Europe's peoples (seemingly because their ancestors were the brave ones willing to go into the unknown).

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound crazy enough to be Hitler & it seems to match his warped ideas about race.
 
There is, supposedly, a sequel to Mein Kampf where Hitler waxes poetic on plans to clear the U.S. of it's minorities and Jews, leaving only what he thought was the decendants of best of Europe's peoples (seemingly because their ancestors were the brave ones willing to go into the unknown).

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound crazy enough to be Hitler & it seems to match his warped ideas about race.

I think I heard that as well. From what I remember, it was said that he thought that the Germans who came to America as immigrants were the best for the reasons you mentioned, but later (I'm thinking after he decided to declare war following Pearl Harbor) he decided to change his mind.
 
The book was acutally published in the early 2000's, Amazon should have it somewhere.
The History Channel also did a good documentary on it....
 
There is, supposedly, a sequel to Mein Kampf where Hitler waxes poetic on plans to clear the U.S. of it's minorities and Jews, leaving only what he thought was the decendants of best of Europe's peoples (seemingly because their ancestors were the brave ones willing to go into the unknown).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Second_Book

Basically, Hitler saw the US as an eventual, very long-term competitor. Other than that, there wasn't really much detail regarding the US. There weren't any 'Nazi plans' regarding the US.
 
What was the Nazi's plans for the US if they managed to (impossibly) conquer the US? Would they divide it into several different countries to make occupation easier? Would they set up a puppet state? What were their plans?

They probably never planned on that, recognising how impossible it would be. But if we speculate, we can always look to occupied Europe (Western Europe in particular; the East woudn't do well for a comparison).

Where feasible, they placed the local fascists in charge (relatively speaking; of course, they still held the power). This was the case in Flanders/Wallonia (Belgium), for example. Yet the US, like most countries, lacked a strong fascist movement. There they'd probably settle for the second approach.

In these cases, the Germans desired "respectable" government figures that could get some recognition both abroad and from their own people. This typically meant leaving the locals in power, as long as they did what they were told and were suitably to the right (Vichy France, Denmark).

In the US, Roosevelt or Wallace would be out of the question. Perhaps they'd "abdicate" in favour of someone more suitable; the Axis might press some suitably conservative figure, such as Joseph Kennedy, there. Though it's hard to guess, and I'm no expert on US politics...

There'd likely be extermination of Jews if the invasion was after '41. The other minorities I'm less sure of; the Nazis likely wouldn't think Puertoricans subhuman. Blacks is also a grey zone; although they were Untermenschen in the Party line, the Nazis frequently ridiculed the US for their Negro lynchings as part of their propaganda. Perhaps they might be kept as workers (=slaves).
 
An Aryanized US would be seen as a potential friend, like Britain was. But this depends on how influential (and unchanged) Nazi ideology remains by the time the United States are brought under control.
 
They probably never planned on that, recognising how impossible it would be. But if we speculate, we can always look to occupied Europe (Western Europe in particular; the East woudn't do well for a comparison).

Where feasible, they placed the local fascists in charge (relatively speaking; of course, they still held the power). This was the case in Flanders/Wallonia (Belgium), for example. Yet the US, like most countries, lacked a strong fascist movement. There they'd probably settle for the second approach.

In these cases, the Germans desired "respectable" government figures that could get some recognition both abroad and from their own people. This typically meant leaving the locals in power, as long as they did what they were told and were suitably to the right (Vichy France, Denmark).

In the US, Roosevelt or Wallace would be out of the question. Perhaps they'd "abdicate" in favour of someone more suitable; the Axis might press some suitably conservative figure, such as Joseph Kennedy, there. Though it's hard to guess, and I'm no expert on US politics...

There'd likely be extermination of Jews if the invasion was after '41. The other minorities I'm less sure of; the Nazis likely wouldn't think Puertoricans subhuman. Blacks is also a grey zone; although they were Untermenschen in the Party line, the Nazis frequently ridiculed the US for their Negro lynchings as part of their propaganda. Perhaps they might be kept as workers (=slaves).

If the Nazis actually suceeded in conquering and occupying the USA, I have a hard time imagining that any bit of the pre-war US political structure would survive. The US is really quite different from Denmark or Norway. Obviously the US constitution would have to be revoked, and the existing bodies (executive, legislative, and judicial) eliminated as originally designed. The Nazis might be able to get a few "legitimate" prewar politictians to be figurehead Petains or Quislings, but these would be few and far between.

I don't doubt that the Nazis might attempt to curry favor with the "Aryan" anglo-saxons of the US by granting them special status, and I hate to say it, but I suspect there would be a depressing number of white americans in 1945 that really wouldn't care much what happened to blacks.

I also have a hard time believing the Nazis would keep the USA together as one nation over the long term. Once (if) the period of military administration ended, It seems to me quite natural that, for racial politics, they might seek to favor the southern states, thinking quite logically that white southerners would be the best candidates for associate status in the grand German world empire. Presumably, it Japan also was an Axis winner, they'd occupy at least the west coast states and maybe to the Rocky Mountains.

They'd also have to tread lightly regarding religion. Even in Germany, the Nazis kept backing off on the anti-church campaigns in response to public outcry. In the US, where more people are religious and also to a much deeper degree, Nazis would have to be even more circumspect in their behavior. That might actually moderate the effects of occupation on untermenschen more than would be otherwise expected. On the other hand, if they decided that they needed to go after the US churches and bring them to heel they'd be facing a major potential insurrection.
 
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I also have a hard time believing the Nazis would keep the USA together as one nation over the long term. Once (if) the period of military administration ended, It seems to me quite natural that, for racial politics, they might seek to favor the southern states, thinking quite logically that white southerners would be the best candidates for associate status in the grand German world empire. Presumably, it Japan also was an Axis winner, they'd occupy at least the west coast states and maybe to the Rocky Mountains.
Wouldnt they also favor New England and the Upper Midwest?
Lots of immigrant from "Aryan" nations, espcially in the Upper MW(Minn,WI, etc...)
 
Wouldnt they also favor New England and the Upper Midwest?
Lots of immigrant from "Aryan" nations, espcially in the Upper MW(Minn,WI, etc...)

Yes, but they might perceive it would harder to make these Nordic types ready supporters of anti-black policies. Also in the upper midwest there was a fairly strong thread of Socialism. I would agree, the "aryans" in these places would be relatively well treated as long as they didn't get uppity, but I suspect uppityness might happen pretty frequently.
 
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