Nazi Germany defeats the Soviets, how long does it last after that?

Let’s say that in the most plausible way possible, Nazi Germany manages to “win” the eastern front, either by consolidating the A-A line, the Soviets collapsing, or they simply get even more lucky than they did IOTL. Germany now rules the whole continent. How would the Western Allies respond, and how long would Germany last before they collapse from fatigue or something, or would they manage to hold on in a “Fatherland”-like scenario?
 
Let’s say that in the most plausible way possible, Nazi Germany manages to “win” the eastern front, either by consolidating the A-A line, the Soviets collapsing, or they simply get even more lucky than they did IOTL. Germany now rules the whole continent. How would the Western Allies respond, and how long would Germany last before they collapse from fatigue or something, or would they manage to hold on in a “Fatherland”-like scenario?
Something between a minute after and the heat death of the universe.

To give a better answer, assuming they can peace out with the west, anything is possible. The state can either collapse in civil war, or reform into something akin to what China did, or it can revive the war with the west and be crushed, anything goes.
 
Something between a minute after and the heat death of the universe.

To give a better answer, assuming they can peace out with the west, anything is possible. The state can either collapse in civil war, or reform into something akin to what China did, or it can revive the war with the west and be crushed, anything goes.
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Bluntly, Germany cannot reform "like China" in any meaningful sense. The Nazi Party and CCP were two vastly different beasts in terms of organizational structure and ethos, and Germany is not in a similar economic position as China in any way.
 
Germany would probably switch from war economy to civilian economy. Hitler stole enough gold he can probably pay the MEFO bills... or don’t pay them at all. The Nazis isn’t interested in paying the Jewish bankers (please do not take this out of context) of London and New York. I think it would probably end up like Franco’s Spain, where Germany eventually turns into a democracy after decades of Nazi rule. The US and UK would likely trade with Germany again after war ends.
 
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Bluntly, Germany cannot reform "like China" in any meaningful sense. The Nazi Party and CCP were two vastly different beasts in terms of organizational structure and ethos, and Germany is not in a similar economic position as China in any way.
It can reform like China on the sense that it passes from a hardline system into a saner version of that system, removing the worst aspects to keep it working
 
It can reform like China on the sense that it passes from a hardline system into a saner version of that system, removing the worst aspects to keep it working
I don't know. The CCP of today is vastly different than the CCP of Mao. I think you would have to wait for Hitler to die, just as China had to wait for Mao to die. Now Hitler was 56 years old when he died. He could conceivably live another 20-30 years. Hitler was more unstable than Mao so I would expect more adventurism--renewal of the war against the west, a drive to the Pacific and into China. Hitler's racial policies were also more extreme than Mao's. What ethnic group would have been Hitler's next target? Weapon's wise Germany was much more scientifically advanced than the USSR. They would have developed the atomic bomb at some point. They also would have developed intercontinental delivery systems; whether rocket or plane. Would another MAD standoff develop?
 
I agree but how so?
I'm just going to quote from the article The Political (Dis)Orders of Stalinism and National Socialism by Yoram Gorlizki and Hans Mommsen, published in the essay collection Beyond Totalitarianism: Nazism and Stalinism Compared:
The Nazi regime by contrast had its origins in the decentralized and amorphous NSDAP movement of the 1920s in which central headquarters had relatively little authority over either regional party bodies or the party’s auxiliary combat organizations. In the absence of clear decision-making structures or of an integrated programmatic ideology the movement, both in its time of struggle and immediately after assuming power, was held together almost entirely by its leader and his cult. Rather than becoming systematically fused with the state, as was the case in the Soviet Union, the Nazi party, despite its many public duties, did not, as an institution, mesh smoothly with the cogs of the German state. While regional party leaders, as individuals, may have filled leading positions in the state, their authority did not stem from their party offices, and their policies were rarely coordinated with those of the wider state system.
In contrast, the CCP was built along Marxist-Leninist lines and directly integrated into every aspect of the state (the PLA is directly subordinate to the CCP's Central Military Commission for instance), and was not nearly as bound up in Mao's cult as the NSDAP was with Hitler's. The article's comparisons of the Stalinist and Hitlerite party apparatus is not directly applicable, as Maoism and Stalinism had major differences in structure and implementation, but the gist is the same.

As for ethos, the CCP's nationalism and developmentalism did override its Maoist ideology, but this is because the party contained those impulses in the first place and was not solely a conduit for Mao's ideology, unlike the NSDAP, for which I will again quote Gorlizki and Mommsen:
The Nazis’ ruling ideology was altogether different. Fiercely exclusive and ultranationalist, it was in its early stages inseparable from the utterances of its leader. Never grounded in a canonical text and defying theoretical systematization, the “abstract, utopian and vague National Socialist ideology,” writes Broszat, “only achieved what reality and certainty it had through the medium of Hitler.” For this reason the “ideology” of the regime merged, to a far greater degree than did its equivalents in the USSR, with the Hitler cult which enveloped the state’s propaganda machine. To the extent that a secondary programmatic ideology that was relatively independent of Hitler did emerge in the 1930s – that of the “racial state” – it found no core institutional expression of the kind achieved by the Communist Party as the embodiment of Leninism in the Soviet Union.

I hope this clarifies things a bit, I can probably post more about this topic tomorrow, even if I'm more familiar with the operations of the CPSU than I am of the CCP.
 
The Nazis could collapse on themselves in a couple of decades or remain a world power till modern day depending on what happens. The problem is Nazi Germany has a lot of hurdles ahead of it if it wants to survive. In my opinion for the Nazis to survive they need at minimum to .
Get their economy in order. Rebuild bombed cities, transition to a peacetime economy, deal with the massive blackhole of a money pit that will be garrisoning the east. etcetera.
Survive the inevitable international backlash once the Holocaust becomes common knowledge.
Survive Hitler's death without going into civil war and establish a stable form of succession.
Get nukes. M.A.D. needs to be in full effect to avoid a war with a faction that has nukes.
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It can reform like China on the sense that it passes from a hardline system into a saner version of that system, removing the worst aspects to keep it working
Now some of these are near insurmountable tasks for OTL Nazis but these Nazis actually won the war so they probably did something different. Maybe this Goering is less of a junkie and more of a Luftwaffe Commander. Maybe somebody eventually realizes this "Jewish Science" stuff might actually get Hitler his Wunderwaffe. Who knows?
 
A big issue is Hitler’s health. Historically, Germany losing the war ever since 1941 and the Soviet Army slowly but surely gaining ground all the way to Berlin would obviously be devastating for Hitler’s mental health and stress levels. That absolute nutjob Theodor Morell pumping Hitler full of all sorts of experimental drugs certainly didn’t help either. So another big issue is what Hitler’s health is like after defeating the Soviet Union. Obviously the stress of seeing the tide of war turning against Germany will get butterflied away, as well no longer needing Morrell’s “services” will help a lot. There’s no telling how long Hitler would live in this scenario (but certainly a lot longer than with a POD of Hitler simply not killing himself in 1945, at which point he was already a sickly shell of a man). But after a Soviet defeat, there’s definitely the possibility of Hitler taking the question regarding his own succession more seriously, and with his mental and physical health infinitely better than it was in historical 1945, there’s no telling what kind of structures and which people exactly he would be putting in place to make sure that Nazi Germany would live on without Hitler.
 
The speed bump I don't see Germany getting over is the switch to a peacetime economy. They won't be on total-war footing forever, but they're going to need to keep heavily investing in their military with the WAllies + remainder of Russia (would the USSR survive an L in WW2?) always lurking, while they have an entire continent to rebuild.

OTL 1960s USA is way beyond their best case scenario, as a superpower who owned a Europe sized swath of continent and had it integrated way better than a Final Solution-mode Nazi Germany could, and it got into real economic trouble trying to supply both guns and butter. A recession, depression, debt crisis, etc, triggered by that would be a major shock to an already damaged system.
 
The speed bump I don't see Germany getting over is the switch to a peacetime economy. They won't be on total-war footing forever, but they're going to need to keep heavily investing in their military with the WAllies + remainder of Russia (would the USSR survive an L in WW2?) always lurking, while they have an entire continent to rebuild.

OTL 1960s USA is way beyond their best case scenario, as a superpower who owned a Europe sized swath of continent and had it integrated way better than a Final Solution-mode Nazi Germany could, and it got into real economic trouble trying to supply both guns and butter. A recession, depression, debt crisis, etc, triggered by that would be a major shock to an already damaged system.
Maybe it’s perpetual war in the east to satisfy the war economy?
 
Now some of these are near insurmountable tasks for OTL Nazis but these Nazis actually won the war so they probably did something different. Maybe this Goering is less of a junkie and more of a Luftwaffe Commander. Maybe somebody eventually realizes this "Jewish Science" stuff might actually get Hitler his Wunderwaffe. Who knows?
Yep.
 
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