Nazi Germany as a Communist Nation

They screw Fascist Italy over, people become enraged that the Pope isn't allowed to leave ("Those bloody atheistic Communists!") and the world goes to war...again

Which nations become communist? France, surely because they started socialism Poland Austria Hungary All of it?
 
Didn't Nazi Germany also have the government control many factories? Controlling the means of production... that's very socialist. Combined with the dictatorial government...

During the war, yes.

So did US and UK, BTW.

Are you arguing these are socialist countries?

And there was still government control of some factories in the US during the MacCarthy and even Reagan eras. are you calling them socialists?:D



EDIT : and I'm not even going to argue with the posts which boil down to : ' Hitler was nasty. Communists(socialists) are nasty. Therefore Hitler was a Communist(Socialist)'.
 

Hashasheen

Banned
Well, I didn't expect all these replies! Ok, here's what I meant: The Nazi Party has adopted socialism, but doesn't call it "socialism." They do this to attract Hitler, but he later finds out; this causes the party to call themselves "Nationalist Socialist." In other words, cloaking the ideology of "socialism" with "nationalism," much like Francisco Franco did in Spain. They ally with the Soviet Union and their mission is to create a communist Europe, like what happened in the Cold War (see Eastern European Communist Countries). Spain joins reluctantly, as Franco is a staunch ally of Hitler (even though he denounces communism). So, the new Axis is Germany-USSR-Spain. What happens?
why attract a former corporal of the German Army? the man was a nothing at the time of original party, and the Nazi party was only formed AFTER hitler joined.
and a communist germany would have supported the republicans, and possibly not taken Austria and the Sudeten. they also might follow the Trotsky strain of communism instead of Stalin, causing it to be a communist civil war.
 
and I'm not even going to argue with the posts which boil down to : ' Hitler was nasty. Communists(socialists) are nasty. Therefore Hitler was a Communist(Socialist)'.

Thats logic and reason for you. I took a philosophy course on that stuff and came out of it realising why AH.com hates those two so very much:cool::D.
 
this is not so improbable
Hitler was at first a socialist, fotographs of him have been found, where he is seen attending hard line communist rallies

what is needed is that he does not get involved with any ultra-nationalist group, and develops that crazy worldview of his under the influence of Marxism
for instance he can still write Mein campf in prison, but instead of racial purity and unclean Jews he writes about some derivate of Class struggle and the hated Jewish class enemy conspiracing with other capitalist forces to controll the working class
most of the retorics can stay the same, practically all the tipical "protocols of zion" routine applies, just change the context and a few frazes
assuming Hitler at this point is the unstabile, still forming persona that he is today proposed to have been, it wouldnt take much for this to happen, perhaps an authoritarian father figure from the communist party patts him on the back a few times and makes him feel like a true comrade
really it is a question of what bar he goes to

this would be a strange version of communism do, assuming he would play a part in forming it, but it is tipical that diferent people and enviroments construct different communist practice

the problem is a communist Hitler would have much more problems getting into the Reichstag
still his ability to get crowds into orgasmic frenzy would of been a huge bonus for the German communist party, and a big problem for any anti-communist movement
could this lead to civil war?

another possibility is that Hitler, under critical communist influence, develops into a true fashist, much in the way Mussoliny started out as an actuall active socialist, and the fascio was at first the simbol of socialist republicanism, with a more statist instead of nationalist outlook
 
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Yes, they had overall control but the original bourgeois owners still in place and earning money from it. That's very unsocialist.
Man, I really need to write a serious, footnoted article about Nazism and socialism. Then I would just post it every time there's discussion about it on the internet, that is every second day.

I'm here, if you want someone to critique it.

I actually remember a AH Hearts of Iron 2 After Action Report where Hitler befriends a German Communist in the trenches of WW1 and after the war joins whatever the Communist Party of Germany was. For some reason, though, Himmler winds up as head of the NSDAP.

That was weird. How'd he manage? He didn't have a politician's charisma, he was just a good administrator - perfect for behind the scenes, not so good for the stage.
 

Jomazi

Banned
In Nazi mythology, communism is an ideology designed by evil Jews to hi-jack the legitimate struggle of the working class and turn it into a perverted, malformed version of itself, one of several tricks to keep the Aryans locked into a struggle amongst themselves and thereby keeping the Jewish shadow-government in power.

But this doesn't mean the national socialists were a "right wing" party. In an economic context, plutocratic liberalism where the workers are cattle to be bought and sold and kept under the yoke by the rich could be considered "rightist extremism", and this of course was also a Jewish invention. (Apparently a resourceful people, these Jews....)

So NO, Hitler will not accept Marxism. Ever.

Strasserists were a more working class oriented breed of early Nazis, purged in the nights of the long knives, whose economic policies if implemented would be quite similar to communism, but of course free from any open association with "Jewish" Marxism.

IMO having Strasserists win the power struggles would require them to remove Hitler, which would lead to turmoil and instability, and their economic policies would be ever worse than those of OTL Nazi Germany.
 
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