Nazi Germany and Soviet Union allies in WW2

Jonjo

Banned
Whatever PoD's that need to make this to happen let's say they do and the Germans and Soviets are total allies in WW2, sharing technology, troops and combining both their armies for assaults on the Allies

Would Britian and the US be crushed?
 
You would have to get rid of the Nazis first. The Soviet Union was THE enemy of the Nazis. Now a war with both of them on the same side would be possible, maybe due the Allies intervening in the Finnish Winter War for God knows what reason, but as full allies, I can't see it. The paranoia of both sides would not allow it.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
There can never be peace between them. There can be an alliance of convenience, but nothing is going to prevent a Nazi-Soviet war so long as you have an entire leadership whose most beloved dream is the Rape of Russia.
 

King Thomas

Banned
Hitler's views make it ASB.Just as well, imagine the professional German troops backed up with the sheer mass of the Russian troops. You'ed need either nukes or 20+ years of war to deal with them.
 
Great Britain might be in trouble, but the United States is untouchable across the Atlantic at this time. You might even see redress between Britain, the USA and Japan. It would a year of unholy Alliances assuming either can hold weight.
 
I don't think it is ASB even with Hitler and Stalin unchanged. Sure one of them will stab the other in the back someday but I don't think it would be all that hard to make M-R last a good while longer. Probably the easiest way I can see it would be by getting America to declare war on Germany first and much earlier but I am sure there are many others.
 

MSZ

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Wasn't that OTL between 1939 and 1941, with the exception of no Soviet troops in France/Denmark/Norway? Anyway, there were a few situation where Britain contemplated officially declaring war on the USSR - Operation Pike could do that, also Britain going through with its plan of sending troops to Finland during the Winter War. With the UK (and the rest of the allies) at war with both Germany and the USSR, the two are likely to end up coming closer.

But how much? The USSR doesn't have a common border with any of Britain's territories. It would have to either invade Turkey to get to the Middle East, Afghanistan to get to India. So it's ability to aid Germany would be somewhat limited, unless Germany would allow Soviet soldiers on its battlefields. This is't likely with Hitler in charge, as the man held a view that it was Germany and Germans that were meant to win the war, not its allies (especially sub-human slavs). Also, Hitler wanted to invade the USSR eventually, and he can't really wait with that until the west is totally defeated if that means having to postpone Barbarossa later than 1942. Stalin also was quite cautious about fighting Hitler's wars which he didn't need to, so it is almost impossible for the Red Army to land in north Africa or the Red Air Force to bomb London. He could try invading South Asia if pushed by Britain, but OTL talks between Molotov and Hitler show just how different German and Soviet goals are.

And there is the USA, which neither Germany or the USSR have a chance of defeating. It can't be crushed - the entire Axis and the USSR doesn't have the resources to do that. More likely the war would drag on for a few more years, the Soviets being bled out somewhere in Asia, the UK and USA being able to move troops and supplies there by sea that the USSR would be able to by land; the British Isles being safe thanks to US Army presence; Japan being combated as OTL; Hitler using Soviet weakness due to fighting the allies to betray Stalin and invade as OTL; D-Day happening and the Allies pushing further east once Germany capitulates.
 
No, the mr pact was nonaggression, not alliance. Extending that would be 'easy', if hitler were out of the way, but getting the soviets to fight the west? No way.

Stalin would gladly sit back in his armchair eating popcorn watching the show, but hes not going to put sensitive pbody parts into the grinder, especially when it wouldnt do him any good.
 

Cook

Banned
Germans and Soviets are allies in WW2, sharing technology...
The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression pact did see a technology transfer; the uncompleted German battle-cruiser Lutzow was sent to the Soviet Union in February 1940 and technical advisers sent to the shipyards in Leningrad to help complete it. The blue-prints for the Battleship Bismarck were also given to the Soviets. For their part the Soviets agreed to provide a U-boat base to Germany on the Kola Peninsula west of Murmansk.
 
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