Nazi France / Fascist Britain after WW1 defeat

How plausible is this, and how "original" is it as an idea? All I see for the most part is alternate WW2 outcomes. Don't think I've seen this one done before, so I wanted to check with you guys.

The Triple Entente is defeated in WW1 and is subject to the same treatment as the OTL losers. They lose territory around the globe and face military restrictions / reparations + economic trouble. Germany becomes the naval power. Britain and France may be forbidden to unite.
Out of the hatred and "revanchism" in France, the National Socialist Party appears, promising to rebuild France as "The Third Empire", and crush Germany and possibly the Jews or some other group. They assume power in 1933 Britain has fascists coming to power wanting to rebuild the British Empire to its former glory and also pushes racial purity and protestantism. They get into power in 1922.

As you see they loosesly mirror Germany and Italy. Let us say that these become the "allies".

How would this change the inevitable WW2? Would Germany become a republic without being forced? Austria-Hungary sticking together? How would the US react? And is it a good AH scenario? I was thinking of elaborating on a timeline with this POD.
 
Eh, you might wanna try the search option. Some members will try to have your head on a plate for posting this (the subject has been done to death).
 
Eh, you might wanna try the search option. Some members will try to have your head on a plate for posting this (the subject has been done to death).

Everything has been done to death. When someone does something that hasnt been copied, we'll throw them a parade.
 
After winning World War I France was in rather poor shape and hadn't even really repaired the damage by the time World War II started. If they lose the war they'll be in even worse condition than OTL, while the Germans will be in a stronger one; not a good set of circumstances for France. A beaten, broken France that lost World War I simply won't have the numbers and resources to emulate the German Nazis.

Britain, on the other hand, does.
 
Britain, on the other hand, does.

that one also always rather bortherd me, in almost all those timelines where they loose ww1 they get a verry lenient peace where they have to pretty much give nothing up or verry little, yet they still turn facist or cummunist and still plot to get back at an by them much more democratic and peacable germany after 2 or 3 decades?

i know that people have to incloud britain to make it some what plausble for the revanchist powers to win but i always tought it was highly questionable.

the only one that was kinda plausable for me so far is rast TL where there defeat in ww1 inspired the people of there empire to riseup against them and they blame germany for it, but even there they don't seem hell bent on getting revenge.
 
that one also always rather bortherd me, in almost all those timelines where they loose ww1 they get a verry lenient peace where they have to pretty much give nothing up or verry little, yet they still turn facist or cummunist and still plot to get back at an by them much more democratic and peacable germany after 2 or 3 decades?

i know that people have to incloud britain to make it some what plausble for the revanchist powers to win but i always tought it was highly questionable.

the only one that was kinda plausable for me so far is rast TL where there defeat in ww1 inspired the people of there empire to riseup against them and they blame germany for it, but even there they don't seem hell bent on getting revenge.
That's a fair point; it's hard to see Germany managing to get much more than a status quo ante peace out of Britain, which is hardly the sort of treaty that provokes an insane degree of revanchism.

However, given Britain's general foreign policy goals it seems entirely possible that even if they stayed democratic they might be inclined to join in on any war vs. Germany. Britain would not like the German-dominated Europe that would result from a German win in World War I, and would probably be quite intrigued by any opportunity to take Germany down a peg, even if it means allying with some rather unpleasant people.
 
However, given Britain's general foreign policy goals it seems entirely possible that even if they stayed democratic they might be inclined to join in on any war vs. Germany. Britain would not like the German-dominated Europe that would result from a German win in World War I, and would probably be quite intrigued by any opportunity to take Germany down a peg, even if it means allying with some rather unpleasant people.

I would like to think that that would depend on what would cause such a war
if for some reason germany or one of its allies started it than sure i could see that happen, but a war of agression/revenge....I have an hardtime seeing britain openly join the agressor(s) in such a war, maybe giving finanicaly/matirial support yes but openly joining without a decent causus beli.
that just seems quite...how should i put it....unbritish...to me atleast.
 
It is much more likely that socialists/Communists, rather than a fascist type party, would come to power in Britain in 1922 following a Central Powers victory/Triple Entente defeat in WWI.
 
I would like to think that that would depend on what would cause such a war
if for some reason germany or one of its allies started it than sure i could see that happen, but a war of agression/revenge....I have an hardtime seeing britain openly join the agressor(s) in such a war, maybe giving finanicaly/matirial support yes but openly joining without a decent causus beli.
that just seems quite...how should i put it....unbritish...to me atleast.
I agree that the circumstances under which alt-WWII breaks out would make a big difference, but Britain is going to be naturally inclined to side against Germany in just about any conflict. Britain would probably not join in on a war of aggression, but I could easily see them giving the other side aid on the ground that a victorious Germany will get even more power/influence on the continent, which is simply unacceptable. From there, it's not exactly hard for aid to gradually drag the British into direct conflict with Germany.
 

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If Italy lose WW1 (they were in the enetente) they might go fascist like OTL. Of course there might be butterflies. You might need Mussolini in this mess, since without him Fascsim might be beutterflied away. One thing you must consider if if Russia goes Soviet in your TL, one important ingredient for Fascism was anti- Communism and the left would not seem so scary, nor be so loud if the USSR didn't exist.

Britain is also a hard nut to crack, even if Germany knock out Russia, France and Italy how would they hurt Britain?? Britain had full hegemony on the seas. In most WW1 Germany kick ass scenarios they only manage a White Peace with Britin due to this fact. And if the British Empire is intact there is really no reason for Britain to go revengist. (And British Fascism had actually a isolationist stance).
 
I should really have known, something that obvious must have been done several times. Thanks for the insight into the idea anyways.
 
If you had a French Fascist party as described here, I would say that they’d be more likely to go after Britain than they would Germany with Africa and South-East Asia becoming the battlegrounds as well as the Mediterranean. This would make Italy very nervous what with Libya being next to Algeria and might have Britain ally with them whilst the Spanish might be approached by France with vague promises over Gibraltar and places like the Gold Coast and Sierra Leone going to Spain in exchange for Spanish assistance.

I would say that Germany is unable to make such a harsh peace on France because of the inferior naval position – Britain can maintain the blockade against Germany and do so for quite some time starving her from imports outside of Europe. Furthermore, Britain was at the top of the spy game around this period and could touch off a few disturbances here and there against Central Power nations and their constituent peoples.

A peace treaty would therefore concentrate more on financial reparations rather than wholescale territorial changes which would be more swallowable to the pragmatists.
 
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