Nazi colonized Eastern Europe

Anyway, I honestly can't think of a worst dystopia then a Nazi world....:(
If any war was inarguably a battle between right and wrong ,it was WW2.....

A world-wide North Korea? There, everyone would be treated like slaves regardless of race.

I tend to think of it as a battle between a bigger (Nazis) and a lesser (Commies) evil. It wasn't a "righteous" war for either side on the Eastern Front. Though this is one of the few instances where I can support the Russians.

1)A religion whos name means "submission" wasnt a "weak slave religion":confused:
In any case, would I be correct in assuming Hitler was heavily inspired by Nietzche:rolleyes:?

I think he meant he respected their conqueror/oppressor mentality. Then again, as a Nazi he doesn't have to make too much sense...:rolleyes:

2)Somehow I doubt it. I think the concept of untermenschen would circumvent that...you cant Aryanise non-humans, after all.... I assume that was at the core of Nazi logic?

Well, they did it with some Poles... it depends on whom you ask, I guess. Himmler viewed Moslem Bosnians as Aryans ("descendants of the Crimean Goths"), while Bormann didn't think the Volksdeutsche were pure enough...

3)I doubt you could find a single difference between the ideologies if you tried, other then cosmetic differences like the race they espoused and the like.

That, and the ultra-Nazis wouldn't be as decadent. But otherwise...

4)I tend to think anarchy and North Korea style de-facto fascism are worse then communism.

Umm, North Korea is Communist. In fact, Fascism (in the word's original sense, denoting Mussolini's regime only) was probably the mildest totalitarianism.
 

Rockingham

Banned
1)A world-wide North Korea? There, everyone would be treated like slaves regardless of race.

2)I tend to think of it as a battle between a bigger (Nazis) and a lesser (Commies) evil. It wasn't a "righteous" war for either side on the Eastern Front. Though this is one of the few instances where I can support the Russians.

3)Well, they did it with some Poles... it depends on whom you ask, I guess. Himmler viewed Moslem Bosnians as Aryans ("descendants of the Crimean Goths"), while Bormann didn't think the Volksdeutsche were pure enough...


4)Umm, North Korea is Communist. In fact, Fascism (in the word's original sense, denoting Mussolini's regime only) was probably the mildest totalitarianism.
1)I meant the worst *plausible* dystopia.

2)That ignores the Western nations though(France/Britain/US mostly)

3)Poles who were supposed to be descended from Germans.

4)No, not in the true sense of the word. It has the control economy, sure, but in nearly every other aspect its closer to the Nazis. Highly nationalist, with the justification for its existence the re-establsihment of the national state, the fascist-like propganda machine, and increasingly monarchic system(ok, not exactly fascist in that regard). Its also experimenting with capitalism.... Juche is the true state ideology, and has been for some time, not communism.
 
1)I meant the worst *plausible* dystopia.

2)That ignores the Western nations though(France/Britain/US mostly)

3)Poles who were supposed to be descended from Germans.

4)No, not in the true sense of the word. It has the control economy, sure, but in nearly every other aspect its closer to the Nazis. Highly nationalist, with the justification for its existence the re-establsihment of the national state, the fascist-like propganda machine, and increasingly monarchic system(ok, not exactly fascist in that regard). Its also experimenting with capitalism.... Juche is the true state ideology, and has been for some time, not communism.

1) Ah, then I'm with you. Not that ultimate Nazi victory is all that plausible in the first place...;)

2) Hence I specifically said "on the Eastern Front". In the west, things were more clear-cut (though I still wouldn't mind France knocked down a peg...).

3) Yes, but going back far enough, they could say pretty much anyone was (or wasn't) of Aryan blood, depending on whether they felt like it. Indians and Japanese were supposed to be, but blond German Jews weren't...:rolleyes:

4) Sounds pretty much like Stalin's USSR except for the monarchic bit, though North Korea is more extreme in every sense.
 

Rockingham

Banned
4) Sounds pretty much like Stalin's USSR except for the monarchic bit, though North Korea is more extreme in every sense.
Ummmm...what? Since when did Stalin trumpet racial supremacy, historic rights, and nationalism? Thats one of the main differences between communism and fascism....
 
Ummmm...what? Since when did Stalin trumpet racial supremacy, historic rights, and nationalism? Thats one of the main differences between communism and fascism....

The regime became nationalistic as a response to the German invasion. But even before, the USSR had been dominated by Russian chauvinism. Antisemitism was, of course, integral, even institutionalised (quotas on Jewish students, civil servants etc). Non-Russian speakers were frowned upon throughout its history. I'll agree North Korea is far more openly national-radical, but Soviet Russia was far from as internationalist as it sometimes said. Perhaps if Trotsky had gained power, but OTL, no.
 
The regime became nationalistic as a response to the German invasion. But even before, the USSR had been dominated by Russian chauvinism. Antisemitism was, of course, integral, even institutionalised (quotas on Jewish students, civil servants etc). Non-Russian speakers were frowned upon throughout its history. I'll agree North Korea is far more openly national-radical, but Soviet Russia was far from as internationalist as it sometimes said. Perhaps if Trotsky had gained power, but OTL, no.

This is a bit of a simplification; without going into detail, I'll note that Jews in Poland welcomed the USSR because it was far less anti-semitic than Poland, and rates of intermarriage between Jews and nonJews skyrocketed in the early USSR.
 
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