Nazi China?

What if? during a period 1933-35 a Chinese leader emerged had as a model-ideology Adolph's Hitlers Nazi Germany and took power in China? The Nazis would allied with them instead Japan? What the reaction of USSR? Any impact on WW2? A Holocaust in China (against Tibetans and others)? What do you think?

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Would 2 fascist nations fight each other if they have communism and democracy as much bigger threats to their existence? Perhaps the Chinese fascist decides to cooperate with Japan, maybe exchange experts, along with Germany. My guess is that Japan annexes Manchuria and China adopts their fascist ideology and makes peace, but Japan would have to be on board, maybe they go for the ally after sizing up global competition. Not sure how you change Japan's mind. Or China's.
 
Would 2 fascist nations fight each other if they have communism and democracy as much bigger threats to their existence? Perhaps the Chinese fascist decides to cooperate with Japan, maybe exchange experts, along with Germany. My guess is that Japan annexes Manchuria and China adopts their fascist ideology and makes peace, but Japan would have to be on board, maybe they go for the ally after sizing up global competition. Not sure how you change Japan's mind. Or China's.
Yes, they would fight each other. There's no way for an expansionist militarist China and an expansionist militarist Japan to coexist. Both of them would be ideologically driven to try and become the hegemon of east Asia, and both of them would have immediate conflicting interests. Fascist China's first goal in this scenario would be to retake Manchuria, their second goal to retake Taiwan, their third to put Korea in their sphere of influence.
 
Yes, they would fight each other. There's no way for an expansionist militarist China and an expansionist militarist Japan to coexist.

Are you sure?

Italy and Germany managed to effectively split Europe between them... I don't see why China and Japan wouldn't be able to split Asia between them.

One possibility:

Japan gets Korea, Taiwan, eastern Siberia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, and Polynesia.

China gets Manchuria, Indochina, India, Central Asia, and western Siberia.

yes, China and Japan would hold a grudge against each other, but I think they might ally with each other against a common enemy?
 
What if? during a period 1933-35 a Chinese leader emerged had as a model-ideology Adolph's Hitlers Nazi Germany and took power in China?

But that pretty much was Chiang with the KMT. Communists were the Untermensch

Hitler just thought Imperial Japan would maker better Allies, so tossed the KMT under the bus
 
There was a story about Chiang Kai-shek going to Germany instead of Japan and befriending Hitler in the trenches, but it's been dead or on hiatus for some time.
 
Are you sure?

Italy and Germany managed to effectively split Europe between them... I don't see why China and Japan wouldn't be able to split Asia between them.

One possibility:

Japan gets Korea, Taiwan, eastern Siberia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, and Polynesia.

China gets Manchuria, Indochina, India, Central Asia, and western Siberia.

yes, China and Japan would hold a grudge against each other, but I think they might ally with each other against a common enemy?
Well, first of all, Italy was a lot weaker than Germany, and war between the two would have been monumentally one-sided. Japan and China are much more evenly matched.
Japan and China are also historic enemies, whereas Italy and Germany never directly fought. Germany and Italy could also initially indulge mutual expansionism (into Austria, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, etc.) without starting a world war. In your scenario, any Chinese expansion would require war against the European Empires, and any further Japanese expansion as well.
Italy and Germany also didn't really have any overlapping revanchist claims, other than a few mountainous parts of Austria I suppose, whereas Taiwan, which Japan stole from China in a war, is going to be a major sticking point (I'm assuming in your scenario the POD is before the annexation of Manchuria, because at that point there's no going back)
Finally, the USSR isn't really going to drive the two together; Japan and the USSR didn't go to war in OTL until literally atomic bombs were being dropped. Plus, are either of them really going to want to carve up Siberia? And is annexation of Australia really a realistic goal?

I mean, I suppose you could contrive some scenario, but realistically, two roughly matched, revanchist, militarist powers next to each other is the prime recipe for a war.
 
Italy and Germany also didn't really have any overlapping revanchist claims, other than a few mountainous parts of Austria I suppose, whereas Taiwan, which Japan stole from China in a war, is going to be a major sticking point (I'm assuming in your scenario the POD is before the annexation of Manchuria, because at that point there's no going back) Plus, are either of them really going to want to carve up Siberia? And is annexation of Australia really a realistic goal?

I mean, I suppose you could contrive some scenario, but realistically, two roughly matched, revanchist, militarist powers next to each other is the prime recipe for a war.

I don't think Taiwan would be much more of a sticking point than Tirol. Manchuria and the treaty ports are a different matter. Theoretically, the two could come to an agreement to kick out the Europeans in which Japan dominates the maritime locations like Sakhalin, the Pacific Islands, Philippines and Indonesia, whereas China moves on Siberia, Mongolia and Indochina. Neither government would be stable or farsighted enough to make such an agreement work, however. Nor does Japan gain much in the agreement either: its not like China was an effective enough power to fight the European navies. And China wouldn't be that enthusiastic to fight over Siberia either-as far as they knew at the time, there wasn't much there.
 
Fascists arent generally inclined to ally with other fascists out of any sense of ideological solidarity. If two neighbouring fascist countries are rivals, and one has humiliated the other multiple times in the span of 40 years, they're not going to get along. Japan was occupying Chinese territory, and desperately wanted to control China's markets. No way in hell any Chinese state will let that stand, let alone a fascist one.

Even communism, an ideology based around solidarity that transcends nationalism, couldn't keep the USSR and China allied. What makes you think that Japan would be an exception? A shared ideology is nice, but this fantasy. The PoD would have to be before the first Sino Japanese war.
 
With an early POD, how about a surviving Yuan Shikai regime? It would be a Han nationalist dictatorship, and since its stable, Imperial Japan would not invade Manchuria. Instead they develop an anti-European alliance?
 
With an early POD, how about a surviving Yuan Shikai regime? It would be a Han nationalist dictatorship, and since its stable, Imperial Japan would not invade Manchuria. Instead they develop an anti-European alliance?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War

The results section of the summary is most pertinent. China had more of a revanchist bone to pick with Japan over Taiwan, Port Arthur and control of Korea. The Europeans help a handful of treaty ports.
 
With an early POD, how about a surviving Yuan Shikai regime? It would be a Han nationalist dictatorship, and since its stable, Imperial Japan would not invade Manchuria. Instead they develop an anti-European alliance?
One of the factors leading to Yuan falling out of the favor of the Chinese people was him agreeing too much to Japanese demands, and his declaring himself emperor increased Japanese hostility toward China.
 
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