the Same size of old Berlin.
Im Orginal Plan had Center of City to Rebuild
the population in the way, had to be remove in two ways:
One: into New settlements in east europe
two: those who were Jewish or refuse to leave, into concentration camps
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the Same size of old Berlin.
Im Orginal Plan had Center of City to Rebuild
the population in the way, had to be remove in two ways:
One: into New settlements in east europe
two: those who were Jewish or refuse to leave, into concentration camps
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That would have been disastrous; it would have totally destroyed the relationship between the Reflecting Pool and the Washington Monument!
The first thing critics would as is that it’s a memorial only to the Navy; the Soldiers didn’t fight in the Atlantic, they fought in Europe. (Actually that’s the second thing people would say, the first being ‘Fuck that’s ugly!’)
You’re right, it could easily have come off the drafting board of Albert Speer.
If we propose that there exist a special totalitarian-style architecture, as shown by the likeness of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Soviet regarding the fascination for megalomaniac buildings, we could perhaps look to late-Soviet architecture for inspiration as to what a 1980s Nazi-Germany would have looked like. A French photographer named Frederic Chaubin has just published the book "CCCP: Cosmic Communist Constructions Photographed". Here's an example of late-soviet mega-architecture:
It is the Palace of Ceremonies in Tbilisi, Georgia. Se http://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/book-cosmic-communist-constructions-photographed/5080
for more photos and an article of late Soviet achitecture.
It is the Palace of Ceremonies in Tbilisi, Georgia. Se http://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/book-cosmic-communist-constructions-photographed/5080
for more photos and an article of late Soviet achitecture.
Dr. Strangelove
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That's the entire point. It is supposed to be sinister and opressive. You're not supposed to enjoy it.
It's more than likely one of the blokes on the picture is me, because it seems to be one where the monument was just finished, and I was in Berlin around that time.
I actually really like the Shard. I agree with you on the Walkie Talkie though, that things just looks horribly cartoonish.
For sheer megalomania there's only one guy who has even come close to what Hitler and Speer dreamed up and he actually built it however most of it has been scrapped! 
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/dec/21/1?cat=world&type=article
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/dec/21/1?cat=world&type=article
Dr. Strangelove
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Few things can top this as far as insane megalomania goes:
Not only you can visit it, it comes with real, honest-to-god fascists included.
Not only you can visit it, it comes with real, honest-to-god fascists included.
Is not this the point.
Is not sinister and oppressive,is simply ugly,senseless,obscure.
Is offensive for the victims to me.
Dr. Strangelove
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You cannot make a memorial to the Holocaust and have it be nice. That would be insulting. Having it be ugly and senseless is exactly to the point.
I suppose the Pyramids must also be put in the megalomaniac's wet dream bracket!!!
We have many beautifull war memorials,for exemple this; the Korean war memorial:
Those stones are simply senseless,and don't talk to people's hearts.
If a traveler from past or distant future see the Korean war memorial (or similiar monuments) understand immediatly the message.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
The Holocaust memorial in Berlin is such a hideous eyesore, it looks almost as if they built it this way just to make Berlin uglier, as a bizarre retroactive punishment. If I knew nothing about WW2 or the Holocaust and I walked in there, I would just go: "What the fuck is that thing supposed to be?"
You can have a genocide memorial that looks sad, meaningful, and aesthetically beautiful at the same time. There are such monuments as well.The Hiroshima Peace Park, for example, or the Stalingrad Memorial:
Yeah, I have to agree. The Berlin Memorial is a little *too* effective at being sinister and alienating-if I didn't know what it was, I would assume it was an abandoned construction site. Now, if each block was inscribed with the names of the victims (and it would certainly take all those blocks, and maybe then some), then I feel it would be able to transmit the true scale of the horror.
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Valdemar II
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So it was the Holocaust monument, I just thought it was a pierce of weird modern art, through it was something of a labyrint to walk in. Quite fascinating really, through I'm happy that I didn't know what it was.
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