Nazi AHC: Screw Gleichschaltung

With no PoDs prior to Hitler getting the Chancellorship, and without preventing the Reichstag fire, what could have gone wrong (or, for humanity as a whole, right) in Hitler's consolidation of power? (Avoid killing Hitler, if possible.) Now what would have been the result if all those wrong things happened?

Could be even have been booted by Hindenburg? Could the republic be saved? Or are the Nazis not going anywhere?

EDIT ADD: As a second challenge for the thread -- with no PoDs prior to the Summer of 1933 (when Gleichschaltung had mostly run its course), how out of hand could the Left Nazis (the SA, Strasser-ites, etc) have gotten? How close could Germany have come to a "second revolution"? And how much longer could the National Socialists who took "socialism" seriously have continued to wreck havoc / rule in Germany? And what would be the effects?
 
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TinyTartar

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Having a more left wing Nazi Party is not difficult. However, I firmly believe that the entire thing falls apart without Hitler. Hitler was the one who could unite all the factions.

However, having Hitler go more in depth into the socialist aspect would not be too tough; you just need external changes to occur. Having major industrialists in Germany not acquiesce to his rule but rather oppose it and try to evade taxes, and Hitler, who already distrusts the wealthy capitalist class due to their ties to the Jews, starts sounding more and more like Huey Long. Goebbels apparently was more left wing in his economic leanings, and was very close to Hitler; he apparently admired some aspects of the New Deal in America, and thought that Germany could use more reforms along those lines.

Convincing Hitler that there are businesses actively working against the state by withholding tax money is probably the best way to have him rise in anger against them. And if the German poverty and unemployment rate was much higher, and it damn well could have been a lot higher had the government been more unlucky in 1931-1932, Hitler might start seeing a leveling of the classes to be a necessary tactic to head off Communist Revolution, which he indeed did fear.
 

Perkeo

Banned
The Night of the Long Knives goes wrong (e.g. by the information leaking to the OTL victims). Hitler is killed, Röhm becomes chancellor, but he fails to gain control over the remainder of SS and Gestapo. the Reichswer also hate him because of his ambitions of merging it with the SA, so he is overthrown and - possibly after a short civil war, the Conservatives and Social Democrats regain power and save the day.
 

Perkeo

Banned
Having a more left wing Nazi Party is not difficult. However, I firmly believe that the entire thing falls apart without Hitler. Hitler was the one who could unite all the factions.

We don't need the left-wing Nazis to succeed, we just need them causing enough trouble to destabilize the regime. See my last post.

However, having Hitler go more in depth into the socialist aspect would not be too tough; you just need external changes to occur. Having major industrialists in Germany not acquiesce to his rule but rather oppose it and try to evade taxes, and Hitler, who already distrusts the wealthy capitalist class due to their ties to the Jews, starts sounding more and more like Huey Long. Goebbels apparently was more left wing in his economic leanings, and was very close to Hitler; he apparently admired some aspects of the New Deal in America, and thought that Germany could use more reforms along those lines.

OTOH support from the major industrialists played a large role in Hitler coming to power in the frist place.

Convincing Hitler that there are businesses actively working against the state by withholding tax money is probably the best way to have him rise in anger against them. And if the German poverty and unemployment rate was much higher, and it damn well could have been a lot higher had the government been more unlucky in 1931-1932, Hitler might start seeing a leveling of the classes to be a necessary tactic to head off Communist Revolution, which he indeed did fear.

Perhaps delaying the economic recovery would help, so that Hitler cannot claim the credit for it but whoever overthrows him can?
 
Hitler is killed, Röhm becomes chancellor...
Don't think that's how it worked. Actually, since Hindenburg is still alive at this point, it stands to him to appoint someone new to rule Germany. Not sure who he picks, but it certainly won't be Rohm. Maybe Gregor Strasser?
 

Perkeo

Banned
Don't think that's how it worked. Actually, since Hindenburg is still alive at this point, it stands to him to appoint someone new to rule Germany. Not sure who he picks, but it certainly won't be Rohm. Maybe Gregor Strasser?

Strasser would be a good candidate to accomplish Gleichschaltung despite Hitler not being in power. It's good since it likely prevents WWII, but It's not what we want.

So let's assume that Röhm tries to either officially assume power himself or to install a puppet. We need someone stupid and/or fanatic enough to bring the Wehrmacht back to the democratic conservative.
 

tenthring

Banned
Hitler didn't really have an economic policy. He had an economy he didn't understand or care about, Germany was merely a huge munitions factory to him and he didn't care much what economic method by which he got the arms to fight his wars.

All in all the Nazi regime was pretty left wing on economic policy. In the sense that it heavily regulated capital, profits, employment, etc. The industrialists were totally subordinate to Hitler by 1936, he basically played them like a fiddle to come to power and then dumped them.

Still, I would less describe Nazi economics as left/right so much as incompetent.
 
If the Zentrum does not get behind its leader in agreeing to the Ermächtigungsgesetz 1933 it can´t be forced through. That happened only with threats, pressure and some (later mostly broken) promises otl. Still opposing it was debated. Other parties likewise were divided, but decided to vote uniformly as party. With just 18 dissenters the law would not reach the necessary 2/3 majority. If the Reichstag rejects the change to count not-excused absentees (like the KPD representatives fleeing or under arrest) as present even less dissenters are needed.

Does not mean that Hitler is suddenly stopped, but he will have to act more carefully. He remains dependent on the DNVP for enacting new laws and he can´t just take the power of the Länder in a formally legal way. Some otl Nazi-"laws" can´t be enacted at all with the old structures still in place that way. Of course he can expand the measures he took in February and March to succeed with a new attempt or openly take power illegally, but both might cost him support he still needs at this point.
 

tenthring

Banned
If the Zentrum does not get behind its leader in agreeing to the Ermächtigungsgesetz 1933 it can´t be forced through. That happened only with threats, pressure and some (later mostly broken) promises otl. Still opposing it was debated. Other parties likewise were divided, but decided to vote uniformly as party. With just 18 dissenters the law would not reach the necessary 2/3 majority. If the Reichstag rejects the change to count not-excused absentees (like the KPD representatives fleeing or under arrest) as present even less dissenters are needed.

Does not mean that Hitler is suddenly stopped, but he will have to act more carefully. He remains dependent on the DNVP for enacting new laws and he can´t just take the power of the Länder in a formally legal way. Some otl Nazi-"laws" can´t be enacted at all with the old structures still in place that way. Of course he can expand the measures he took in February and March to succeed with a new attempt or openly take power illegally, but both might cost him support he still needs at this point.

The Enabling Act not getting passed because the Catholic Centre party doesn't vote for it would be a good POD to explore.
 
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