Navarro-Angevin Empire

If Navarre merges with Angevin Empire...

How would a Navarro Angevin union look like and how would it look like in the present.
 
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Are you talking about the entire Angevin inheritance? So that the King of England, Duke of Brittany, Duke of Normandy, Count of Greater Anjou (Anjou, Maine, Touraine), Duke of Aquitaine (D of Aquitaine, D of Gascony, Ct of Pitou), Lord of Ireland, also becomes King of Navarre?

Unfortunately it's unlikely to be all of it, since all of it was never in one person - Henry II was only ever D of Aq de jure rather than de facto (Eleanor bequeathed it to her son Richard) and father of the D of Brittany by marriage.
Your best bet is for Richard Lionheart and Berengaria to have a son while Berengaria's sister Queen Blanche has no children. In which case you'll see war between Richard's son (probably a Henry or William), John Lackland, and Arthur of Brittany.

In which case the likely permutations of a 3-way division are:

a) Aquitaine + Navarre; England + Brittany; Normandy + Anjou
b) Aquitaine + Navarre; Brittany + Anjou; Normandy + England
c) Aquitaine + Navarre; Brittany + Normandy + Anjou; England
With bits taken off and added to the French Royal Domain.

The likely permutations of a 2-way division is b with Brittany-Anjou split among French vassals and Royal Domain.

It's also the best scenario for detaching Aquitaine from being a (semi-) vassal of France.
 
Unfortunately it's unlikely to be all of it, since all of it was never in one person - Henry II was only ever D of Aq de jure rather than de facto (Eleanor bequeathed it to her son Richard) and father of the D of Brittany by marriage.

Richard and John, exception of Brittany which few consider to be a proper part of the Empire anyway.
 
Richard and John, exception of Brittany which few consider to be a proper part of the Empire anyway.

Except Richard was never Lord of Ireland, and John lost Anjou and Normandy (well except the Norman Channel Islands). And John was only ever Ct of Anjou in opposition to Arthur until Arthur's death and Philippe kicking him out.
 
Are you talking about the entire Angevin inheritance? So that the King of England, Duke of Brittany, Duke of Normandy, Count of Greater Anjou (Anjou, Maine, Touraine), Duke of Aquitaine (D of Aquitaine, D of Gascony, Ct of Pitou), Lord of Ireland, also becomes King of Navarre?

Unfortunately it's unlikely to be all of it, since all of it was never in one person - Henry II was only ever D of Aq de jure rather than de facto (Eleanor bequeathed it to her son Richard) and father of the D of Brittany by marriage.
Your best bet is for Richard Lionheart and Berengaria to have a son while Berengaria's sister Queen Blanche has no children. In which case you'll see war between Richard's son (probably a Henry or William), John Lackland, and Arthur of Brittany.

In which case the likely permutations of a 3-way division are:

a) Aquitaine + Navarre; England + Brittany; Normandy + Anjou
b) Aquitaine + Navarre; Brittany + Anjou; Normandy + England
c) Aquitaine + Navarre; Brittany + Normandy + Anjou; England
With bits taken off and added to the French Royal Domain.

The likely permutations of a 2-way division is b with Brittany-Anjou split among French vassals and Royal Domain.

It's also the best scenario for detaching Aquitaine from being a (semi-) vassal of France.
By invasion by the angevins of Navarre or vice versa....
 
By invasion by the angevins of Navarre or vice versa....

Given the fate of the Angevin domains, I kind of doubt that they can manage, or even afford, an outright conquest of Navarre (and in those days most conflicts were at least framed or legitimized by hereditary claims). Likewise, Navarre is too weak to have any real shot of pulling off an invasion of the Angevins.
 
Except Richard was never Lord of Ireland, and John lost Anjou and Normandy (well except the Norman Channel Islands). And John was only ever Ct of Anjou in opposition to Arthur until Arthur's death and Philippe kicking him out.

Ireland was only ever a peripheral part, but true. As for John, he may have lost the territories but he still had them at the start of his reign and I'd say the Anjou point is by-the-by. The point is, had Richard not been captured and died young and/or John not been so good at throwing his land away, the Angevin Empire could easily have been unified under a single man.
 
Ireland was only ever a peripheral part, but true. As for John, he may have lost the territories but he still had them at the start of his reign and I'd say the Anjou point is by-the-by. The point is, had Richard not been captured and died young and/or John not been so good at throwing his land away, the Angevin Empire could easily have been unified under a single man.

Ah, I missed that point.
I thought you were nitpicking me so I nitpicked back :D

Anyways, yes if we take my 2 PODs of Richard and Berengaria having a son (let's call him Geoffrey after his dead uncle) and Queen Blanca remaining childless, then Geoffrey will inherit the bulk of the Angevin territories and Navarre.
However I see "Angevina" being later divided among his heirs following several wars with France.
 
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