Nauvoo Nation - Joseph Smith is President (and lives to 1866)

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Should the LDS settle on the Great Salt Lake or Lake Deseret (OTL Utah Lake)

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    This timeline is one I have thought of that might have heavily shaped history. This POD is actually weather, which is rather odd. So a basic summary: China takes the lead in the Cold War, a prophet is assassinated, and Mike Lee (OTL Utah Senator) is the President. So yeah... enjoy!

    Abbreviations-
    LDS- Latter-day Saint(s), Church of Jesus Christ of, a.k.a. Mormon

    June 20th, 1844
    A thunderstorm brews in Western Illinois. Lightning strikes in various cities, including Warsaw, Carthage, and Nauvoo. Nauvoo only lives becomes of its location on the Mississippi. The county seat become Nauvoo rather than Carthage. Joseph Smith, therefore, will not die.

    July 4th, 1844
    Smith decides to drop Rigdon from his ticket to build a colony in North Texas (OTL DFW area) and put Henry Clay on his ticket on the account that Smith will led Clay do most of the heavy lifting because Smith still has a church to run.

    September 3rd, 1844
    In an attempt to frame Joseph Smith, John C. Bennet assassinates Henry Clay.

    September 7th, 1844
    John Tyler signs legislation annexing Texas

    September 10th, 1844
    The Illinois Supreme Court rules Joseph Smith was not involved in the events of a week earlier.

    December 1844
    Joseph Smith wins after a very narrow vote, is the first Whig President. Most voters vote for him because they feel a religious leader is more trustworthy than a political one.
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    March 1st, 1845
    Enraged with a LDS US President taking a very Catholic Texas and trying to make Catholics a minority to make room for LDS’s, declares war.

    March 6th, 1845
    Joseph Smith Jr. sworn in as ninth president. Smith announces slavery abolishment and application of Bill of rights to states as the 13th Amendment. Unlike William Henry Harrison, he is not a idiot and makes a 11 minute speech to avoid getting sick. (This timeline would not be interesting if he died giving a sermon)

    March 9th, 1845
    Abraham Lincoln, a Illinois Senator, proposes legislation to create a bodyguard force for the President after a plot to kill Smith was uncovered.

    March 12th, 1845
    South Carolina leaves the union, followed with Alabama, Mississippi and Missouri. By May, North Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas all follow suit.

    April 4th, 1845
    The Illinois 15th Regiment starts the Siege of St. Louis.

    April 12th, 1845
    Virginia conference decides not to leave the Union.

    May 7th, 1845
    Joseph Smith signs into law the National Authority Safety Act, creating a bodyguard force for Congress, the President and his cabinet, and the Supreme Court

    June 1845
    United Order is abandoned

    November 1845
    Deceive Victories let the US win the Southern War. A new border is set at the Fuerte River, the Tropic of Cancer, and Panuto River. All of Baja California joins the US.

    December 7th, 1845
    Joseph Smith establishes line of succession in prophets. Avoids a succession crisis in 1866.

    January 16th, 1846
    Statehood Act of 1846 creates 7 new states, including a huge piece of British Columbia gained in an 1845 Treaty

    July 26th, 1846
    Plural Marriage leaks out, but in the shadow of the Southern War, impeachment is not seriously considered.

    August 27th, 1847
    Hearing of Karl Marx’s doctrine from a missionary returning from Germany, and aware of an 1842 prophecy of a LDS headquarters in the Rockies, Joseph Smith’s Address to the American People denounces Communism and moves the home of the LDS to the Great Basin

    September 1847
    The Nauvoo caucus of LDS, Whigs, and Free-Soilers merge into a larger Whig party, renamed the Republican Party to gain Agricultural support by naming it after Thomas Jefferson’s late party. Joseph Smith, a War hero after the Southern War, is nominated as President and Henry Clay is dumped because no one really thinks he did anything useful. Zachary Taylor became VP hopeful.

    October 17th, 1847
    Joseph Smith announces he has had a vision to put the Jewish community back into the Middle East, ending the Great Diaspora and calling for the restoration of the 12 tribes of Israel. Unlike most of his visions, this on is heavily popular in the US and Europe.

    November 1848
    Joseph Smith defeats James Knox Polk in election, it is the nail in the coffin for the political careers of Polk and Clay. Smith. Young moves Smiths family to Deseret near the Great Salt Lake.
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    January 1849
    John Killian, a former captain in the Nauvoo Legion, a US Army Captain, and friend of Smith, leads a small battalion into Canada to take back W.W. Phelps, a prominent LDS songwriter, kidnapped in the previous December in response to major global outrage about polygamy. Neither Phelps nor Killian is a polygamist, but Britain has lost interest in a region of mostly ice that is too large to effectively defend. US pays 35 million for Canada as a whole.

    July 4th, 1849
    The states of Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, and North Maine are formed. British lean away from Mercantilism as it seems to be failing, mainly because Alberta is too far inland and away for British defense, and an experienced army in the New World is threatening. Also, the American victory unites the country after the Southern War.

    1850
    Vice President Zachary Taylor dies. Sydney Rigdon replaces him after the 14th Amendment settles succession and establishes two term limits on presidencies. Also, the Central American Republic, fed by LDS sympathizers for 10 years, collapse due to economic struggles. Mexico, America, and Columbia establish colonies in there as part of the Monroe Doctrine. William Walker becomes the Colonial Governor of the Central American Possessions.
     
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    Welcome to AlternateHistory.com

    In general, a good timeline about a Joseph Smith presidency needs to cover various controversial topics about the interpretation of Joseph Smith. Since Smith was an important religious figure, who basically created a new branch of Christianity, such a timeline has the potential for controversy, since there are radically different interpretations of Joseph Smith, his character and his actions between Latter Day Saints historians and non-Latter Day Saints historians.

    A Joseph Smith presidency could be interesting. But it is rather unlikely event. As a third party candidate without support from major politicians or organizations, Smith has little chances of winning the election.
    He would probably win in Nauvoo and the surrounding area, but has little support outside of the area.
    Why should people who are not Latter Day Saints vote for Joseph Smith in the presidential election?
    What has he to offer, that people abandon more conventional choices? And how does he manage to build up a campaign across the entire country?

    If you want to continue your timeline without finding an realistic pathway to the presidency for Joseph, you could write an ASB-timeline in the ASB-section. (There are many great and brilliant ASB-timelines there)

    You should either find a good POD which makes Joseph Smith a popular candidate for the average American.
    And which states does he win for the 138 electoral votes needed in 1844 to win the electoral college?

    With more luck, Joseph Smith could survive the Jail situation. It is realistic, that he manages to survive that, since he survived several difficult situations.
    But in general, the situation in Nauvoo was getting difficult for Smith. It became increasingly difficult to hide the revelations about plural marriage from outsiders.

    As far as I know, he advocated for an emancipation fund, which would financially compensate slave owners for the abolition of slavery until 1850, which is not an immediate abolition.

    Problem is, that Marx wasn't that much known outside of Germany and intellectuals in Paris before he moved to London. While Marx wrote some theoretic texts before 1847, the communist manifesto was published in 1848. Even then, why should President Smith comment about the work of a German philosopher in London with little impact outside of discussions about political theory. Also major theoretical works of Marx where published decades later. ("A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy" in 1859, and the three parts of "Das Kapital" between 1867 and 1885).

    Karl Marx was correspondent of the New York Daily Tribune in London starting from 1852. Maybe after that day, it could be justified, that the president reads in this newspaper an article from Marx and hear about his philosophy. Earlier seems unlikely.

    The early Latter Day Saints Church tried to establish the United Order, a collectivist experiment in the 1830ies, comparable to other utopian collectivist communities in the 19. century US. (further information about the United Order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Order )

    Smiths own ideas about collectivist economies are probably something, which Karl Marx would critique as Utopian Socialism. In the communist manifesto, Marx wrote:

    "The significance of Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism bears an inverse relation to historical development. In proportion as the modern class struggle develops and takes definite shape, this fantastic standing apart from the contest, these fantastic attacks on it lose all practical value and all theoretical justification. Therefore, although the originators of these systems were, in many respects, revolutionary, their disciples have, in every case, formed mere reactionary sects. They hold fast by the original views of their masters, in opposition to the progressive historical development of the proletariat. They, therefore, endeavor and that consistently, to deaden the class struggle and to reconcile the class antagonisms. They still dream of experimental realization of their social Utopias, of founding isolated "phalanstères," of establishing "Home Colonies," of setting up a "Little Icaria"[3]—duodecimo editions of the New Jerusalem, and to realize all these castles in the air, they are compelled to appeal to the feelings and purses of the bourgeois. By degrees they sink into the category of the reactionary conservative Socialists depicted above, differing from these only by more systematic pedantry, and by their fanatical and superstitious belief in the miraculous effects of their social science."
    - Page 59-60 - Communist Manifesto ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Manifesto_of_the_Communist_Party.djvu/60 )

    Therefore Marx won't be a fan of Smiths idea of a United Order, because, while it is certainly collectivist, doesn't follow Marx idea of economy and history. If Smith becomes President, and if Marx recieves the information, that the Latter Day Church tried the United Order, Marx would certainly found that really interesting. Maybe Marx would then left a comment about it somewhere.

    But there is a similarity between many ideas of the early communists and socialists in the early 19. century and the ideas behind the United Order.

    Why are only 4 States leaving? It seems as if Smith is here immediately announcing a total emancipation.

    Why abandoning your old party by creating a new one, if you managed to win a surprise victory with your old party in the last election? Such a move seems only likely, if the president is rather unpopular in his old party, and therefore has to build a new one.


    So just for years after winning a civil war, the US commits an act of war against the most powerful superpower on Earth. That seems rather unwise. If the President wants to free someone imprisoned by another power, he should try to negotiate first. Offer the British something in return to get the person released. Instead risking a war you could loose seems unwise.

    Why would the British Empire just surrender after just 6 months of war. Why accepting such a humiliation. Great Britain is untouched by the war. Britain could seriously harm American Trade with its Navy. Meanwhile no other European Power could, would or would want to intervene. The rest of Europe is occupied with the aftermath of the 1848 revolution. Most would view the US as the aggressor in the current war and would therefore have more sympathy with Great Britain.
    If the US is overstretching its resources with occupying Canada, resistance, unrest and rebellion could lead to them loosing the Southern States or areas annexed from Mexico again.


    Is famous filibuster William Walker ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster) ) involved in these colonial adventures?

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    Another question: If Joseph Smith becomes president, hiding the church teachings about Plural Marriage becomes rather difficult. With the spotlight of the presidency on him, political opponents would investigate Nauvoo. If Plural Marriage, as practiced in Nauvoo, would became common knowledge, the resulting scandal would certainly lead to an Impeachment by Congress.
     
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    Zurirach, thanks for the corrections. I am extending the TL farther, so please, continue correcting anything I overlook.
     
  4. Neshomancer Mistborn Jedi

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    *Ponders going back to writing my TL with a similar premise*
     
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    Neshomancer, two words: Do it. If I’m right it is the City on the Hill, right? Joseph Smith is an interesting character and the only thing certain about it is civil war.
     
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    It is, my problem was trying to find general(s) for each side.
     
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    Try a Mexican-American/Civil War merger. The union would of had a war with both, Smith certainly would of annexed Texas. He wanted a colony their.
     
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    He only supported annexation if the people thhere wanted it, and with him being as... controversial as he was...
     
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    What fun is history without a little controversy?
     
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    Thank you to everyone who responded in the poll. As in the OTL there is a presidential election, I don’t have anyone to add on in 2021, so throw some names out.
     
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    1851
    Stephen Douglas announces he will run. (He joined the Republicans because of his support in the LDS community) Abraham Lincoln will be his running mate. Democrats nominate Franklin Pierce hoping he will unite Democrats against the party traitor.

    1852- Stephen Douglas (R-IL) and Samuel Houston (R-TX) are elected President and Vice President, respectively. Abraham Lincoln is a rising figure on the national scene when he is appointed Secretary of State.
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    1855- John Wilkes Booth, an American actor who moved to England after the Southern War, makes a mistake of associating the LDS church (Mormon) with the Islamic church (Muslim). Therefore, he shoots the Muslim leader of the Ottoman Empire, killing him. The Ottoman Empire collapses, and Greece and Israel become independent nations while Spain, Portugal, England, France, and Russia establish colonies in the Empire’s former domain.

    1855
    Just like in the OTL, Belgium becomes an independent nations and starts a African colony, just earlier.

    1856
    US, Prussia, Britain, and France all follow Belgium into Africa. Douglas is also re-elected.

    1857
    To satisfy LDS in America, Douglas is baptized.

    1858
    After a near half-century in decline, Portugal and Spain unite into the Iberian Republic to further Catholicism against the rising Mormonism

    1859
    Full relocation of the LDS church is complete. Salt Lake City, the capitol is South Deseret and the LDS HQ is finished, but the temple will not be for all most 50 years. Temples already operate in Nauvoo, Washington, and North Texas.

    1860
    Abraham Lincoln is elected President. However, he serves an uneventful term.

    1863
    A national railroad is complete. This is the highlight of the Lincoln administration.

    1864
    Lincoln is re-elected.

    September 7th, 1866
    Joseph Smith Jr dies in his mountain home just outside Salt Lake City, South Deseret. He dies of Yellow fever at age 61. Brigham Young becomes prophet.

    1869
    Brigham Young elected to his first term.

    1871
    Brigham Young is elected to his second term, the Democrats don't even put up a candidate.

    March 6th, 1877
    John Taylor sworn in. He will be the third of five LDS prophets as US President

    April 6th, 1877
    Brigham Young dies in South Deseret. He dies a month after leaving the White House in the hands of John Taylor.

    August 1st, 1882
    The Iberian Republic elects a dictator.

    March 6th, 1885
    Ulysses S. Grant is sworn in President. His policy about native Americans is heavily disliked by a 19th Century America where Natives have Civil Rights. His 1888 Purchase of Alaska makes him not any more popular.

    March 17th, 1887
    Argentina becomes the first Communist nation.

    1887
    John Taylor dies.

    1889
    Reed Smoot becomes the President. He will be replaced by Theodore Roosevelt in 1897 after two terms. His Native American policy basically gives Natives control of North Deseret, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Both Dakotas renames Sioux’s.

    1893
    Indian Citizenship Act gives Natives full Civil rights if they give up national sovereignty.

    1895
    The Democrat Party, after 3 decades of Republican rule, is revitalized by Theodore Roosevelt. LDS Church President Wilford Woodruff says on the subject, “It is good for diversity in a nation. The world was created with good and evil. As long as the good wins, that is.” Theodore Roosevelt, the face of the party, says, “We profess to have separation of church and state, yet it is the LDS Prophet in Salt Lake who runs the nation, not the President in Washington.”

    1897
    Theodore Roosevelt is elected President. The Republicans are caught off-guard. Roosevelt makes his aggressive agenda known, creating 7 National Parks, in his first year of office. He even pushes for two new states, Alaska and Honduras. Alaska becomes a state, but the Republican House kills the Honduras attempt off.

    1899
    US naval ships Rigdon and Young are destroyed in Veracruz and Havana as a result of poor international relations between the nations. A Caribbean War follows, with every result of the Spanish-American war except instead of gaining the Philippines, a third of Mexico becomes American in 1902
     
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  12. Threadmarks: 1900-1950

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    1903
    Theodore Roosevelt’s last major act President is starting construction in the Panama Canal with Britain and Columbia.

    1905
    Woodrow Wilson takes the White House.

    1906
    LDS Church bans Polygamy after it fell below .5% of all followers practicing in 1901

    1909
    China and Japan adopt Communism, Mexico adopts Socialism.

    1913
    After losing his re-election bid, Woodrow Wilson gives his party mate Calvin Coolidge the White House.

    1914
    World War One postponed because the Archduke was meeting with LDS missionaries.

    1916
    Iberia adopts Socialism.

    October 1917
    Communism attempts to take over Russia. Russia defeats the rebels with American support in 1921

    1921
    Democrat rule ends with Ezra Taft Benson elected President.

    1922
    Catholic officials execute LDS in Italy as a result of nearly a decade of opposition. This starts WW1.

    1925
    Ezra Taft Benson re-elected

    1929
    Marion G. Romney elected President.

    1931
    World War One ends with no border changes. The world was not ready for such along War, so the economy plummeted.

    1933
    Romney re-elected

    1934
    Hitler never controls Germany because he was killed in a battle in France.

    1937
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt is elected President

    1941
    Bermuda Summit- Britain, US, France, China, Columbia, Prussia, Russia, Ecuador, Greece, and Ecuador create United Nations (UN)

    1941
    FDR re-elected due to economic policy

    July 12th, 1943
    While visiting Russia, Heber J. Grant, LDS prophet, is shot by Communist extremist Joseph Stalin, killing Grant instantly.

    1944
    The American Communist Party and the American Socialist Party are banned in the US

    1945
    Because of the Grant assassination, Republicans regain Washington. Hugh B. Brown is the new President

    1946
    America develops three nuclear weapons, two uranium and one hydrogen

    1947
    China and Russia leave UN after Anti-Communist resolutions. They, with Japan, Belgium, and Iberia start the Order of Nation (ON)

    1949
    Brown re-elected President. Later in March, Prime Minister Winston Churchill issued his ‘Iron Wall’ statement. Cold War starts on time with OTL
     
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    1952
    LDS Archeologists claim several Indian mounds of he Hopewell Mound Culture as Nephite locations.

    1953
    Mexico joins ON. Also, Richard Nixon is elected President. He is the first non-LDS Republican President since Stephen Douglas

    1955
    After years of struggle, Austria-Hungary and Italy collapse within 24 hours of each other in November.

    1956
    Various nations claim ruins of Central Europe

    1957
    Nixon re-elected (no Watergate)

    1958
    Nuclear weapons count
    USA about 100
    China about 50
    Britain 31
    Japan 13

    1961
    As part of a growing independence movement globally, Britain and the US joins islands of the Atlantic with part of Central America to form the Inter-Atlantic Island Republic. Joseph F. Kennedy (OTL John F Kennedy) is elected President.

    1963
    Rebels in Lagos and Kinshasa declare an independent republic and start a war against Germany (former Prussia, name change in 1962) and Belgium. Britain and the USA support rebels. This starts the African War.

    1964
    African War ends after rebels rob a Belgium armory on the Congo River, which has nuclear weapons. The African Republic is formed the following year, and Britain, France and the USA give up territory to support this effort.

    1966
    A rare ON/UN joint session bans nuclear weapons in warfare.

    July 28th, 1969
    USA lands a man on the moon.

    August 3rd, 1969
    China lands on the moon.

    1970
    Lunar Colonization starts

    1971
    Civil War in China breaks out. South China attempts to become a republic.

    1972
    Civil War breaks out in Mexico, Argentina, and Japan. Russia and Denmark leave ON for UN.

    1974
    ON dissolves due to a variety of issues with the country.

    1976
    Lunar Chinese colonists return to Earth. China will never send colonists back up to the present day.

    1977
    Beijing terrorists blow up a nuclear compound in the Capitol. The government completely collapses.

    1981
    The global fall of communism starts a decade of prosperity.

    1984
    US Population hits 350 million.

    1987
    India gains independence

    1989
    Australia becomes an independence.

    1990
    British Egypt, British Madagascar, and American Ethiopia joins the African Republic.

    1991
    Arabia becomes a nation.

    1992
    British Honduras joins the Trans-Atlantic Island Republic

    1995
    First men on Mars.
     
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    2001
    Muslim terrorists attack New York City and, due to this, America eradicates mainstream Islam after a 200 year decline.

    2008
    Lunar colony reaches 10,000 people on the moon.

    2013
    First LDS temple on the moon.

    2017
    First long-term habitable space station completed.

    2019
    Present Day.
     
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    For your convenience, here's a list of the Presidents in this timeline as well as the 2019 Congress by Party and by State.

    F-Federalist
    DR-Democratic-Republican
    D-Democrat
    W-Whig
    R-Republican
    NS-North Sioux
    SS-South Sioux
    NO-North Oregon
    SO-South Oregon
    ND-North Deseret
    SD-South Deseret
    CN-North California
    CS-South California


    1. George Washington F-VA 1789-1797
    2. John Adams F-MA 1797-1801
    3. Thomas Jefferson DR-VA 1801-1809
    4. James Madison DR-VA 1809-1817
    5. James Monroe DR-MA 1817-1825
    6. John Quincy Adams DR-MA 1825-1829
    7. Andrew Jackson D-TN 1829-1837
    8. Martin Van Buren D-NY 1837-1845
    9. Joseph Smith Jr. W(later R)-IL 1845-1853
    10. Stephen Douglas R-IL 1854-1861
    11. Abraham Lincoln R-IL 1861-1869
    12. Brigham Young R-SD 1869-1877
    13. John Taylor R-SD 1877-1885
    14. Ulysses S. Grant D-NY 1885-1889
    15. Reed Smoot R-ND 1889-1897
    16. Theodore Roosevelt D-NY 1897-1905
    17. Joseph F. Smith R-SD 1905-1913
    18. George Hugh D-FL 1909-1913
    19. Wilson “Will” Brannon D-MO 1913-1921
    20. Ezra Taft Benson R-CN 1921-1929
    21. Marion G. Romney R-MA 1929-1937
    22. Franklin Delano Roosevelt D-NY 1937-1945
    23. Hugh Brown Brown R-TX 1945-1953
    24. Richard Nixon R-CN 1953-1961
    25. Joseph F. Kennedy (OTL J.F.K.) R-MA 1961-1969
    26. Edwin Armstrong D-NH 1969-1977
    27. Gordon B. Hinckley R-SD 1977-1981
    28. Fredrick A. Greggory R-CN 1981-1989
    29. Caleb Day R-VA 1989-1997
    30. Micheal Hamilton D-MO 1997-2005
    31. Mitt Romney R-SD 2005-2013
    32. Thomas Smith R-NM 2013-Incumbent
     
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  16. Threadmarks: Congressional Representation in 2019 (and most of the rest of the ATL too)

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    Congress 2019
    Senate
    Alabama: 1R 1D
    Alaska: 2R
    Alberta: 2R
    Arkansas: 2D
    Connecticut: 2D
    Delaware: 1R 1I
    Georgia: 2D
    Florida: 2D
    Hawaii: 2R
    Illinois: 2R
    Indiana: 1R 1D
    Iowa: 1R 1D
    Kansas: 1R 1D
    Kentucky: 2D
    Louisiana: 2D
    Maine: 2D
    Maryland: 2D
    Massachusetts: 2R
    Michigan: 2R
    Minnesota: 2R
    Mississippi: 2D
    Missouri: 2D
    Nebraska: 2R
    New Hampshire: 1R 1D
    New Jersey: 2D
    New Mexico: 2R
    New York: 2D
    North California: 1R 1D
    North Carolina: 1R 1D
    North Deseret: 2R
    North Maine: 2D
    North Oregon: 2R
    North Sioux: 2R
    Ohio: 2D
    Oklahoma: 2R
    Ontario: 2D
    Pennsylvania: 2D
    Quebec: 2D
    Rhode Island: 2D
    South California: 2R
    South Carolina: 1R 1D
    South Deseret: 2R
    South Oregon: 2R
    South Sioux: 2R
    Tennessee: 1R 1D
    Texas: 2R
    Vermont: 2D
    Virginia: 2D
    West Virginia: 2D
    Wisconsin: 1R 1D
    House of Representatives:
    400 Members- 242 R, 155 D, 3 I
    Alabama: 1 1R
    Alaska: 1 1R
    Alberta: 12 11R 1D
    Arkansas: 2 2R
    Connecticut: 1 1D
    Delaware: 1 1I
    Georgia: 9 5R 4D
    Florida: 18 2R 16D
    Hawaii: 3 3R
    Illinois: 27 20R 7 D
    Indiana: 3 2R 1D
    Iowa:1 1D
    Kansas: 2 1R 1D
    Kentucky: 2 1R 1D
    Louisiana: 3 2R 1D
    Maine: 1 1D
    Maryland: 4 1R 3D
    Massachusetts: 14 11R 3D
    Michigan: 2 1R 1D
    Minnesota: 2 1R 1D
    Mississippi: 1 1D
    Missouri: 15 14D 1I
    Nebraska: 1 1R
    New Hampshire: 1 1D
    New Jersey: 10 2R 8D
    New Mexico: 5 5R
    New York: 22 3R 19D
    North California: 17 16R 1D
    North Carolina: 11 5R 7D
    North Deseret: 34 31R 3D
    North Maine: 1 1I
    North Oregon: 6 4R 2D
    North Sioux: 1 1R
    Ohio: 12 6R 6D
    Oklahoma: 5 4R 1D
    Ontario: 4 2R 2D
    Pennsylvania: 13 4R 9 D
    Quebec: 3 1R 2D
    Rhode Island: 1 1R
    South California: 5 4R 1D
    South Carolina: 10 5R 5D
    South Deseret:55 47R 8D
    South Oregon: 14 11R 3D
    South Sioux: 2 1R 1D
    Tennessee: 2 1R 1D
    Texas: 38 29R 9 D
    Vermont: 2 2R
    Virginia: 12 6R 6D
    West Virginia: 1 1D
    Wisconsin: 1 1R
     
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    Just a question, why is Israel the nations name when at the time there was no large Jewish population in the region?
     
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    There are so many questions I could ask.
     
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    Didn’t think about that... um, I’ll edit it to say a piece of Joseph Smith’s agenda was to build a New Jerusalem in Israel. They have already sent missionaries there, and a movement to put the Jews back into Israel could be popular in a Christian world.

    Btw, ask any questions you want. I probably just didn’t think of it and want to make this timeline better, so fire away!
     
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    Oct 28, 2019
    Henry Baldwin and Joseph Smith just completes the oath of office. Baldwin steps aside, and Joseph addresses the nation.

    “Not long ago in a hall not far from where I stand, a Nation was forged on the concepts of Liberty and Justice for all. A Bill of Rights too was given for the people of this nation. Yet, south of this stand is a region in the practice of slavery! The hypocrisy of this nation shall be our downfall! Let the slaves be free, let the South rebel, and let the rebels burn!”

    The short, fiery speech invited many to anger. After the concepts of the Mormon Reform party where merged with the Whigs, who wanted a young president more than anything, the Smith-Clay ticket was embraced. Rebellions have set fire in South Carolina, Missouri, Alabama, and Mississippi. This speech would incite rebels in Georgia, North Carolina, and Louisiana.

    March 7th, 1844
    Sam Houston steps up to a Austin platform. “What am I doing?” He asks himself. “Many other Southerners are in rebellion. Many in this state now wish for that same rebellion, to join the so-called Southern States of America. I, too, feel that the character of the President is not that of Washington, yet by the vote of our people he is our president, and inevitably the rebellion will be crushed. Why fight the Washington when Charleston and Mexico City are so vulnerable. Smith has allowed Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and several territories to have a general emancipation. We have tried, so so hard to join the union only to turn around and leave it. Why should we leave? Benjamin Franklin once said, ‘A society that gives up some freedom for some security deserves neither and will lose both.’ Should we put ourselves into bondage for putting others into that same bondage.”

    Texas Congress votes very narrowly to stay in the union. Protests ensue. But peace in that respect did not make Mexico happy. Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana said, “They have surrendered the Pope for the President, or Prophet, or a Presidential Liar.”

    War was inevitable. Santa Ana made sure Mexico was the first to recognize the S.S.A. Charleston, the new Capitol, sent a ambassador to start a war united with the S.S.A. Meanwhile, President Smith was not taking a back seat. He had authorized the Nauvoo Legion as a official government authority.

    The Illinois 15th Regiment led the Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio regiments into a siege on St. Louis. A full blockade of the city made the city fall into pieces. Kansas City was under attack as well. The Northeastern Regiments attack Charlotte, North Carolina. Texas too begins a war. Yerba Berma and Santa Fe are attacked by a Texas regiment. Los Angeles and San Diego declare marital law. Once Texas saw that, it redirected most of its troops to Monterey.

    Secretary of State Stephen Douglas walked into Parliament. Robert Peel greets him. Douglas gives some pleasantry, but they get straight to business. “The land is ours. You’re claims make no sense.” Peel surprises Douglas. “We don’t want it. We are over-stretched, we can’t defend so much when Europe is so vulnerable. England is so vulnerable. Anti-Mormon phobia has caused a rise in Marxism here, and we can’t defend the entire world. You can have the Oregon Territory for, say 5 million dollars. Deal?” Douglas replies, “Yes.”
     
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