Native Muslims in East Asia

Burakumi were not that big but again if conversion become popular, a 20% of all japanese being Muslims/Hui is not that impausable, maybe lower 15% but still possible
Also, I was thinking about a pre-Tsuihō Japanese Muslim population of about ~20%. Assuming that’s halved, it’d be down to 10% after the Tsuihō, and could potentially rise to 15% in the modern-day, assuming Japanese Muslims have higher birthrates.
 
My Knowledge of East Asia history outside japan is very limited but again with a counterweight as a bigger Hui, things like the Taiping and even the Qing might not have happened as otl..those are massive butterflies itself.
Those are really massive butterflies and extremely crucial events in Chinese history but, at least for me, I don’t see how a well-assimilated ethnically Chinese Muslim population forming about only about 20% of China’s population would prevent those from occurring. I’m not saying that you or I are wrong, I’m just saying, as of yet, I can’t see how
 
Those are really massive butterflies and extremely crucial events in Chinese history but, at least for me, I don’t see how a well-assimilated ethnically Chinese Muslim population forming about only about 20% of China’s population would prevent those from occurring. I’m not saying that you or I are wrong, I’m just saying, as of yet, I can’t see how
They could, specially the Taiping or filling the power gap the taiping if they help the manchus in beat those guys...Heck just the Hui might buterfly away the taiping and that is a massive butterfly for China.

Also, I was thinking about a pre-Tsuihō Japanese Muslim population of about ~20%. Assuming that’s halved, it’d be down to 10% after the Tsuihō, and could potentially rise to 15% in the modern-day, assuming Japanese Muslims have higher birthrates.
I knew of Japan, So 15-20 is the highest possible but achieable...we might even see early state shintoism(like Hinduism formalize against Paku Muslims in India) to counter Muslims so Tsuiho is pausable and in modern day still being an stable 10-15 as normal too.
 
From how I’m looking at it right now, it shouldn’t be. OTL, Hui Muslims have existed for thousands of years in China and have formed an integral part of Chinese society and history. In this alternate history, they should be extremely well-integrated into mainstream East Asian society, even more so than the OTL Hui, at least, until the Tsuiho, that’s when they become more religious and culturally divergent

thousands of years?
 
Yes, I could see that working really well! It could also factor in greatly into their persecution during the Tsuiho. Do you know if there’s any Korean equivalent to this, and also if this population could become large enough to, say, become 20-40% of the pre-Tsuiho Japanese population?
In terms of 'untouchables,' there were the Baekjeong, but I'm not sure either they nor the Burakumin could ever become a huge percentage of the overall population.
 
There was a small Muslim merchant minority during the Shilla dynasty. They eventually were assimilated but there's something small to work with there. More Muslims came in later, especially during Mongol rule and the last pre-modern mosque wasn't shut down until 1427.
 
that's 1300 years not thousands, it would have to be over 2 thousand years to be say thousands.
Yeah with Semantics they've been long time but nothing how ancient china is...

The Tsuihō has permanently affected Japanese and Korean Muslims. Similar to how reformist Islamic movements in the Middle East became more popular during and after European colonization of the Middle East, movements that seek to revert back to the "true Islam" become popular among Japanese and Korean Muslims. While this doesn't cause any major political issues, as the new governments seek to repent from their war crimes, this does cause a cultural shift among Japanese and Korean Muslims. Muslim women begin wearing hijab much more frequently, religious knowledge and influence deviate from East Asian texts to near-exclusively the Quran and Sunnah, and they once again make pork and alcohol forbidden for themselves and heavily abstain from it. Chinese Muslims, despite now having political influence now, adopt many of these changes out of remembrance of their past and still-existing discrimination.
This is something pretty big, that could be a conservative yet moderate counterweight to the wahabbis in modern day. Specially if korea got a muslim revival like they adopted christianism to stick to japanese and their own old pagan traditions, that with Korea, Taiwan and Indonesia would counter the economical power of the wahabbis, even working with egyptian schools(ie the one i follow)
 
In terms of 'untouchables,' there were the Baekjeong, but I'm not sure either they nor the Burakumin could ever become a huge percentage of the overall population.
Maybe conversion could begin among the Baekjeong in Korea and the Burakumin in Japan and then gradually diffuse into other social classes, similar to OTL India
 
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