Native Americans in Socialist USA

The USA goes socialist in a revolution akin to Eugene Byrne and Kim Newman's Back in the USSA or some similar scenario. Assume this regime supports forced collectivization. How does this regime treat Native Americans on reservations? Are they collectivized along with the rest of the country? Will they be put into the same collectives as other Americans?
 
under the eyes of the american politburo the socialists would most likely treat the natives like anybody so basically misery for everyone
 
I could see either native culture and language being further suppressed to create the unified "American" identity or, in the alternative, a few Native Socialist States set up in the big reservation areas, along with African SSs in the south. Depends on the revolutionary coalition.
 
I could see either native culture and language being further suppressed to create the unified "American" identity or, in the alternative, a few Native Socialist States set up in the big reservation areas, along with African SSs in the south. Depends on the revolutionary coalition.

But would the Native Americans be receptive to socialism? In the OTL USSR it was basically "collectivize everyone - no exceptions."
 
But would the Native Americans be receptive to socialism? In the OTL USSR it was basically "collectivize everyone - no exceptions."
Did the natives of the time have any strong ideological tie to capitalism? I'm no expert but there was none I'm aware of, and since it played a big part in screwing them, I can't imagine so. If socialism offers them any change in the terrible situation they'd been placed in, I think they'd be on board.
 
Did the natives of the time have any strong ideological tie to capitalism? I'm no expert but there was none I'm aware of, and since it played a big part in screwing them, I can't imagine so. If socialism offers them any change in the terrible situation they'd been placed in, I think they'd be on board.

Traditionally, most Native Americans had traditional hierarchy based economies which were distinct from both capitalism and socialism.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But I don't think they would be happy being thrown onto a collective with people they don't even know.
 
Traditionally, most Native Americans had traditional hierarchy based economies which were distinct from both capitalism and socialism.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But I don't think they would be happy being thrown onto a collective with people they don't even know.

I agree with Sicarius; it depends on the revolutionary coalition. I think that at least initially though, Native Americans would be seen as an oppressed minority and would be actively recruited and courted by the new regime. Over time, especially if there end up being natural resources on their lands and/or the regime undergoes bourgeoisization, the regime might become much more hostile.
 
I agree with Sicarius; it depends on the revolutionary coalition. I think that at least initially though, Native Americans would be seen as an oppressed minority and would be actively recruited and courted by the new regime. Over time, especially if there end up being natural resources on their lands and/or the regime undergoes bourgeoisization, the regime might become much more hostile.

Could tribal leaders be branded "Bourgeois" and executed as enemies of the state? I can definitely see the resource aspect being put into play.
 

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I could see either native culture and language being further suppressed to create the unified "American" identity or, in the alternative, a few Native Socialist States set up in the big reservation areas, along with African SSs in the south. Depends on the revolutionary coalition.
I guess a USSA could try to appeal to Indians and other minorities through ATL Korenizatsiya. Like someone else said, much depends on who actually runs the USSA. My guess though is that the new regime mistreats the Indians just like the old regime did.
 
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Could tribal leaders be branded "Bourgeois" and executed as enemies of the state? I can definitely see the resource aspect being put into play.

They'd be persecuted as nationalist agitators, if we're going with a Soviet-style US. But they wouldn't really be annoying enough to merit full-scale Ukraine- or Poland-style persecution--there just weren't enough on any good land. They'd be treated like Siberian tribes--ignored unless they're sitting on good land or a strategic material, in which case they're evicted with no hesitation.
 
They'd be persecuted as nationalist agitators, if we're going with a Soviet-style US. But they wouldn't really be annoying enough to merit full-scale Ukraine- or Poland-style persecution--there just weren't enough on any good land. They'd be treated like Siberian tribes--ignored unless they're sitting on good land or a strategic material, in which case they're evicted with no hesitation.

Where would these evictees be evicted to? Would the reuse Oklahoma or some other place as "Indian Territory?"
 
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As for where they'd be evicted to, maybe labor camps somewhere up north. A Soviet USA seems the type of government that would go with megaprojects like NAWAPA, so displaced Native Americans would be a source of cheap labor for such projects.
 
Natives would probably be either ignored by a Communist USA, or forced like everyone else onto collectives.

Soviet America may treat natives as 'subversive elements', since unlike Russia the US pre-1980s is really monolingual.
 
Natives would probably be either ignored by a Communist USA, or forced like everyone else onto collectives.

Soviet America may treat natives as 'subversive elements', since unlike Russia the US pre-1980s is really monolingual.

Monolingual? Not hardly.

Before racist immigration quotas were established in the late 20s, every major city in America had neighborhoods full of Polish, Hungarian, Italian, Chinese, Russian, and other immigrants. Each one of these would often have their own stores, their own newspapers (in their language), and more--you could live fairly well only speaking the language of your home country, so long as you didn't stray from that neighborhood.

In parts of the Pacific coast, there were small farming villages where Japanese was used, and English was rare. My own grandparents grew up in a farming village in western Kansas that was more closer to a Swedish town than a typical US one. English was something the kids learned in school, but it wasn't what was used to get a haircut or buy food.

The US started to approach monolingualism in the 50s, I think, when the old generation of immigrants gave way to their "Americanized" children, and no new immigrants were allowed in. But after 1964, we opened the doors again. The US has never been a monolingual English nation.
 
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As for where they'd be evicted to, maybe labor camps somewhere up north. A Soviet USA seems the type of government that would go with megaprojects like NAWAPA, so displaced Native Americans would be a source of cheap labor for such projects.

Would drilling for oil in Alaska be a plausible option?
 
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