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American dissidents in New France?

Just making sure I'm following.
Yes, the rebels wouldn't be able to get much traction in the colonies so perhaps the authorities would make it so hot they would flee to New France to agitate against Britain from there.
 
Yes, the rebels wouldn't be able to get much traction in the colonies so perhaps the authorities would make it so hot they would flee to New France to agitate against Britain from there.

That would be interesting. Especially for those like Samuel Adams who were basically trolls.

As in, without some pressing agitation to feed off and make noise over, they wouldn't really mean much.

Not sure if they'd whip up trouble in New France or fade into obscurity.
 

MAlexMatt

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MAlexMatt, Elf's ideal is enlightened autocracy so you're probably right in not pursuing this.

What gets me is that he persists in pretending that taxation was the only issue at hand in the American Revolution, even though we had an entire topic in the past where I explained to him the laundry list of things the British government had been doing to the American colonies (without mentioning quite a few other issues).

There is nothing that infuriates me more than people who simply ignore large sections of an argument in order to home in on the one portion they think they can disprove. Then they declare victory.

I think it'll be him that goes on my ignore list.
 
What gets me is that he persists in pretending that taxation was the only issue at hand in the American Revolution, even though we had an entire topic in the past where I explained to him the laundry list of things the British government had been doing to the American colonies (without mentioning quite a few other issues).

There is nothing that infuriates me more than people who simply ignore large sections of an argument in order to home in on the one portion they think they can disprove. Then they declare victory.

I think it'll be him that goes on my ignore list.

I don't believe it was the only issue, just that the colonists suffered the things such as the closing of Boston Harbor in response to their disobedience rather than out of British tyrannical intentions, so they're not exactly examples of "cause to reject British government". If you're going to insult me over what I think, at least try to target my actual beliefs.

But hey, if you can't be polite and can't be bothered to see why anyone would support the British government as legitimate and the colonists as in the wrong except to condemn that as authoritarian and awful, you're not missing any chance to understand it better by using the ignore list instead of the default method of ignoring what someone has to say.
 
I didn't state that the Colonists' position to question British political decisions and institutions was in itself wrong. On the contrary. But I will not apologize for suspecting war in general to be an expression of insanity. If there shall be an alternative to it, you could consider it criminal instead of insane.

I still uphold my opinion that it was not particularly sane to go to war against one of the least tyrannic regimes of the day for questions which could with patience be resolved politically or go away by itself. I should add that I view every British step to escalate the situation further instead of reasonably negotiate as equally insane and additionally plain stupid.

This also doesn't mean that Americans or Britons supporting this war were (or are) otherwise incapable of making sane decisions in their private, professional or political lifes.

The Revolutionary War was not a petty undertaking for less than 3 million Colonists. Today's US population is ca. 110 times higher than in 1780. To visualize the damage done, consider a war leading to 110x35,000 killed Americans - that is 3.85 million.

Was such a death toll tolerable in order to rebel against a degree of oppression far lighter than virtually anywhere else in the contemporay world?
That includes England, where the tax level was still considerably higher (even taking American local taxation into account) and where "Parliamentary representation" was actually just as theoretical as for the Colonists.

Add to that,that despite the inefficiency and felt injustice of the mercantilist system, the Colonies grew actually richer by the day.

I simply question the necessity to take part in the escalation towards such a war over questions which could with patience be resolved politially.

On an alternate history board, this should be allowed.
 
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