Nationalistic Britain?
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You'll have to go back 1000 years and change that self-depreciating British sense of humor for a start....
You'd need to decrease people's identification with one of the "nations" of the UK. As long as people see themselves as Scottish or Welsh, British nationalism won't be much stronger than OTL. Creating a more nationalist England would be easier.
(And just to clarify, what exactly do you think makes Britain less nationalistic than other European countries? What countries are the most nationalistic in Europe and the world? the Least? I only ask this so I understand exactly what you're looking for.)
(And just to clarify, what exactly do you think makes Britain less nationalistic than other European countries? What countries are the most nationalistic in Europe and the world? the Least? I only ask this so I understand exactly what you're looking for.)
1. British or English, your choice.
2. I maybe wasn't clear, but i meant maybe Russian Nationalistic? Makes it clearer, does it?
libbrit
Banned
Nationalism is a hard thing to pin on the British really-yes, we enjoy the odd bit of flag waving at appropriate occasions, but the British and their residual assumption that overt displays of emotion are `not the done thing` (much reduced these days, but the British do still retain a remnant of the stiff upper lip) would frown on the over emotional American style flag waving-i think it was no less than the PM David Cameron who said `we dont do flags on the lawn`-could you imagine a US president saying that?
Even the individual nations of the UK are only really focus of identity when it comes to sporting events and the odd event where we end up comparing ourselves against other nations of the UK-other than that, we are gleefully self critical
It would be too difficult really.
Even the individual nations of the UK are only really focus of identity when it comes to sporting events and the odd event where we end up comparing ourselves against other nations of the UK-other than that, we are gleefully self critical
It would be too difficult really.
nationalism doesn't need to be flag waving and wild hooting, I can see a Britain that looks down on every one else and believes they are better than every one else, all with the British coldness and stiff upper lip, that kind of nationalism would suit the British national character
England wins the World Cup in 1970, and 1974, and 1982 and 1986 and 1994 etc etc. A sense of entitlement and superiority is built up. 
Guys
I think it depends on how you define nationalistic. Plenty of national identity at both British and local level but tends not to be so extrovert as some other European nations outside sporting events. If fact possibly the most nationalistic people in that form in Britain are the EU-nationalists.
In terms of a more out-spoken and in you're face nationalism in Britain there are a few things that could change it.
a) No or a vastly different WWI. Lacking the shock of the massive blood-loss and expenditure Britain would be a lot more self-confident and probably more nationalistic.
b) A different attitude dominant in the country. Remove or greatly weaken the domination of the laissez-faire, free market mentality and you can have a lot more interest in the state of the country and support for its interests. [Even just some alternative to the Thatcher reaction in 79 and a survival of community/national identity as a valid viewpoint could have an impact here].
Steve
I think it depends on how you define nationalistic. Plenty of national identity at both British and local level but tends not to be so extrovert as some other European nations outside sporting events. If fact possibly the most nationalistic people in that form in Britain are the EU-nationalists.
In terms of a more out-spoken and in you're face nationalism in Britain there are a few things that could change it.
a) No or a vastly different WWI. Lacking the shock of the massive blood-loss and expenditure Britain would be a lot more self-confident and probably more nationalistic.
b) A different attitude dominant in the country. Remove or greatly weaken the domination of the laissez-faire, free market mentality and you can have a lot more interest in the state of the country and support for its interests. [Even just some alternative to the Thatcher reaction in 79 and a survival of community/national identity as a valid viewpoint could have an impact here].
Steve
As Steve said above - WWI is the key. It really brought the British back to earth with a thud. Not just physically, but mentally as well.
mowque
Banned
The UK was one of the most nationalistic nations for centuries. It isn't that hard. Just have them keep the Empire, or some semblance of it.