Napoleon's United States War

Anyone can pull out a victory if the other side behaves like idiots. The British defeated the preponderance of US forces on land, New Orleans was post-Ghent and served to give the USA a crutch to disguise how weak it really was. Here France can not just raise its own armies, it can finance Indian tribes to raise Hell with nifty new modern firearms......

I don't see how Ghent matters, because neither side knew about it. Similarly, are there any tribes in the region who could be major French allies?

Also, unlike the War of 1812, a Franco-American War would be universally popular. The New England states are traditionally pro-British, after all, and for the South and West New Orleans is essential.
 
I don't see how Ghent matters, because neither side knew about it. Similarly, are there any tribes in the region who could be major French allies?

Also, unlike the War of 1812, a Franco-American War would be universally popular. The New England states are traditionally pro-British, after all, and for the South and West New Orleans is essential.

The French traditionally had an easier time getting Indians to side with them than the British did. Here the war might be universally popular but Jefferson's already destroyed what professional, trained military the USA had before the shooting breaks out. If he thinks mobs with guns will work on French regulars he's asking for a curbstomp.
 
The French traditionally had an easier time getting Indians to side with them than the British did. Here the war might be universally popular but Jefferson's already destroyed what professional, trained military the USA had before the shooting breaks out. If he thinks mobs with guns will work on French regulars he's asking for a curbstomp.

Skill with Indians in the 1760s, no? They haven't been on the continent for 50 years by this point. And again, who will the French be allying with?
 
Hurm, can somebody help me with ideas on how the first battle between Napoleon's armee and the USA 'army' would go?
 
After seeing Napoleon's troops land in New York, Jefferson fearing the effect if Napoleon seized full control of the port, sent 3200 men with James Wilkinson leading, to go and confront Napoleon's men at New Orleans, with their goal to successfully hold Napoleon off for atleast a few hours or days until the president could find a willing Allie. Once that was done, the president would send Ambassador John Monroe to the United Kingdom with over 20 troops escorting him, on a ship to England.

Napoleon's forces clashed with Wilkinson's and although the Americans were able to inflict a decent amount of casualties on the French, they were slowly driven back. Jefferson could only sit and hope that Monroe returned soon...with good news.

"Have I made a terrible mistake?", Jefferson asked to nobody in particular, as his vice president John Adams simply sighed. "Only time will tell sir, if the USA will be known as the nation that the French conqured or the one that defeated them.."
 
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1299 men drivin back Napoleon are you serious?
What happened how did french troups ended up in New York?
They aren't in New York and I changed the number. They aren't meant to DEFEAT Bonaparte, just hold him off until either the UK or somebody decides to assist.
 
They aren't in New York and I changed the number. They aren't meant to DEFEAT Bonaparte, just hold him off until either the UK or somebody decides to assist.

I should hope not. If Napoleon's invasion is like the Saint-Domingue expedition, the first wave of it would feature seven or eight thousand troops. And these would all be veterans, not amateurs.
 
I like this thread. It's been criticized, but it's extremely difficult to get all the details. Please write a sequel.
 
I like this thread. It's been criticized, but it's extremely difficult to get all the details. Please write a sequel.
Crap...I REALLY think I could get myself in some deep trouble for necroing a thread this old, but I hope its worth it...Rhunidian would you like to help me?
 

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The French traditionally had an easier time getting Indians to side with them than the British did. Here the war might be universally popular but Jefferson's already destroyed what professional, trained military the USA had before the shooting breaks out. If he thinks mobs with guns will work on French regulars he's asking for a curbstomp.

You just don't believe that things change over time, do you? Sheridan is and always will be a bad commander, no matter how much experience he acquires. The demobilized US does not have a trained, professional army and never will, no matter how much time and effort is available to dedicate to it.

The US started with no professional army in 1776 and, by 1779 the Continental Army was equal to any other force in North America, or at least a capable enough force to give enemies the doubt.

If Jefferson is only able to call up a small force (such as the one described by the OP), perhaps in-adequately trained, that force will grow, and it's training will improve, over time. Reason suggests this is the truth, and I suspect history would have made it so if such a thing had come to pass.

Or is your objection animated, instead, by politics?
 
You just don't believe that things change over time, do you? Sheridan is and always will be a bad commander, no matter how much experience he acquires. The demobilized US does not have a trained, professional army and never will, no matter how much time and effort is available to dedicate to it.

The US started with no professional army in 1776 and, by 1779 the Continental Army was equal to any other force in North America, or at least a capable enough force to give enemies the doubt.

If Jefferson is only able to call up a small force (such as the one described by the OP), perhaps in-adequately trained, that force will grow, and it's training will improve, over time. Reason suggests this is the truth, and I suspect history would have made it so if such a thing had come to pass.

Or is your objection animated, instead, by politics?

A large, successful US Army under Thomas Jefferson who destroyed it is akin to the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin turning into a society of Draka-level wankery. :rolleyes:
 
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