Napoleonic Wars, if the American Revolution Fails

Kongzilla

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What would the effect on the Napoleonic Wars be if the American Revolution Failed. Would it weaken the British Empire as if it were Vietnam on crack or would it be a source of manpower and resources the British can use to crush the French. Would North America be a battle ground from the start with the French and British colonies being invaded by both sides.
 

Anaxagoras

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Napoleon was only six-years-old when the American Revolution broke out. Considering how unlikely was nhis rise to power IOTL, so many butterflies would be introduced into the TL by a failed American Revolution that nothing like the Napoleonic Wars would have taken place. Indeed, depending on the POD, it's quite possible that the French Revolution itself would be butterflied away.

To answer your question more specifically, though, the manpower and resources of the colonies would not significantly increase the power the British brought to bear against the French IOTL.
 
Indeed, depending on the POD, it's quite possible that the French Revolution itself would be butterflied away.

This. No American Revolution (and possibly no French intervention in it) would butterfly away the French Revolution as we know it. Some sort of revolt will likely still occur around the turn of the century but it would be unrecognizable.
 

Kongzilla

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I would Imagine the Revolution Happens mostly as it does, not being crushed early on. But it still goes on with the British somehow managing to kill the leaders and or simply crush the rebellion. ASB but If it can get the Napoleonic Wars going.
 
I think alot would depend on how the Americans failed. One of the main causes of the French Revolution wasw the fact that the King ran out of money. If the American war draggged on without a decisive victory on either side then France would run out of money faster.

I can see the French Revolution starting a year or two earlier than in OTL andthat will butterfly out Napoleon.
 
This. No American Revolution (and possibly no French intervention in it) would butterfly away the French Revolution as we know it. Some sort of revolt will likely still occur around the turn of the century but it would be unrecognizable.

This is often mentioned on this board, but I've very rarely heard what the "unrecognisable" could look like. Most timelines seem to involve it going pretty much like our timeline, or a constitutional monarchy. Both seem unlikely to me.
 
This is often mentioned on this board, but I've very rarely heard what the "unrecognisable" could look like. Most timelines seem to involve it going pretty much like our timeline, or a constitutional monarchy. Both seem unlikely to me.

Why is that?
 
If we are looking for butterflies can I be the first to raise the desires of both George Washington and Napoleon Bonaparte to join the Royal Navy?

Given their difference in ages one could imagine a young Midshipman Bonaparte joining his first ship under Captain Washington.

No General Washington, the alternatives cock up the revolutionary army.

No Emperor Bonaparte so no Napoleonic Wars.
 
This. No American Revolution (and possibly no French intervention in it) would butterfly away the French Revolution as we know it. Some sort of revolt will likely still occur around the turn of the century but it would be unrecognizable.

Although revolutionary instability in France would surely have a rather large chance of war with the British at some stage.

To answer the question directly, my suspicion is that for most of the war the Americans would have a neutral effect. After an initial clampdown by the North government, it's likely that more Whiggish governments would come to power in the decades that followed, as they did in our timeline. They would likely seek some sort of reconciliation with the Americans, in order to prevent it being a permanent source of strife. That would likely be enough to placate the Americans from fresh violence, but it would also mean they couldn't be called upon as a major source of taxation and troops. The one benefit would mean no war of 1812, which would help the British.
 
This is often mentioned on this board, but I've very rarely heard what the "unrecognisable" could look like. Most timelines seem to involve it going pretty much like our timeline, or a constitutional monarchy. Both seem unlikely to me.

Well my timeline has an American Rebellion which is crushed. The French uprising (the one in France that is, the French colonies have their own one) goes off in 1790. Basically followed by a short civil war as the rising fails due to infighting between radicals and more conservative elements. France is becoming a constitutional monarchy though that is mainly because my Louis XVI is OTL Louis XVI's father who died young.
 
Well my timeline has an American Rebellion which is crushed. The French uprising (the one in France that is, the French colonies have their own one) goes off in 1790. Basically followed by a short civil war as the rising fails due to infighting between radicals and more conservative elements. France is becoming a constitutional monarchy though that is mainly because my Louis XVI is OTL Louis XVI's father who died young.

Why were the radicals weaker in this timeline?
 

Kongzilla

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Can the French King run out of money at around the same time. Leading to Napoleon still being in charge, or otherwise Who would be placed in charge if the French Revolution happens years earlier, can Napoleon still rise to prestige in the Army to kick some ass under a more competent political leader.
 
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