Napoleonic stalemate
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@Thande: I think that America will not go to war with Britain in this ATL. In OTL the impressment and trade barriers were some the major causes of the war and with a peace between Britain and France in 1810, presumably American merchants will once again be able to trade with the Continent and the British navy will no longer quite so many sailors. Plus I doub the administration at that time would really want to pick a fight with the full might of the British Empire.
However, we are still left with the northwest territories. here we have to conflicting goals between the British/Native Indians and the Americans/Southeast tribes, The British and their Northwestern Indian allies wanted to create some kind of Indian state in the Northwest, for the British as a buffer between America and Canada, and the Indians for independence. The Americans obviously wanted complete control of the Northwest territory and the Southeastern tribes were old enemies of the tribes of the Ohio valley.
So here, we have a tinderbox. The British supplied guns to the tribes of the Northwestern territory, thereby angering the American settlers, and fueling the feeling among the northwestern Indians that they could in fact stop the Americans. Whether or not the British get involved, the Indians of the area will get in a war with America, probably led by Tecumseh and Tenskwatawa. The question comes down to whether the British will get involved with them, or simply let the Americans and the Tecumseh's Confederacy duke it out. Unfortunately I don't really know enough about early eighteenth century British politics to really know.
However, we are still left with the northwest territories. here we have to conflicting goals between the British/Native Indians and the Americans/Southeast tribes, The British and their Northwestern Indian allies wanted to create some kind of Indian state in the Northwest, for the British as a buffer between America and Canada, and the Indians for independence. The Americans obviously wanted complete control of the Northwest territory and the Southeastern tribes were old enemies of the tribes of the Ohio valley.
So here, we have a tinderbox. The British supplied guns to the tribes of the Northwestern territory, thereby angering the American settlers, and fueling the feeling among the northwestern Indians that they could in fact stop the Americans. Whether or not the British get involved, the Indians of the area will get in a war with America, probably led by Tecumseh and Tenskwatawa. The question comes down to whether the British will get involved with them, or simply let the Americans and the Tecumseh's Confederacy duke it out. Unfortunately I don't really know enough about early eighteenth century British politics to really know.
There's one burried in the Map Threads somewhere.
I have a personal copy, so I'll see if I can fish it out...
EDIT: there are actually two of them. I think they're both by EUIO.
I happen to have USCised versions I made myself, just because
o)...Here's number one:
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1807-Napoleon dies leaving his brother Louis as successor. Spain undergoes turmoil and eventually Ferdinand rises to power, albeit under the eye of the French.
1809-Russia and Austria declare war on France. Austria is crushed by French armies and Russia advances up to Elbe.
1810-Russian armies are bloodied in Western Poland and East Prussia. Both sides come to a truce at Vilnius. Also of note a failed landing on the Sheldte estuary by British troops.
1811-The Treaty of Amsterdam ends the Napoleonic Wars stipulating the withdrawal of French troops from Prussia and Austria as well as the recognition of the Rhine borders by all parties and the Confederation of the Rhine. It also provides that the French open all Continental ports to British goods and vice-versa.