Napoleon wins in Haiti

Is there any way, after toussaint is capture and sent to France, that Napoleon can win in Haiti? I know he would be fighting General Yellow Fever, but is it simply a case of more men?
 

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Given the historical death rate among the French

Is there any way, after toussaint is capture and sent to France, that Napoleon can win in Haiti? I know he would be fighting General Yellow Fever, but is it simply a case of more men?

Given the historical death rate among the French, probably not ... and every Frenchman living or dying in the Caribbean is one less to accomplish whatever the goal was in Europe and the Med...

And the strategic reality was that Europe and the Med was much more significant to France and N's goals than anywhere in the Western Hemisphere.

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Given the historical death rate among the French, probably not ... and every Frenchman living or dying in the Caribbean is one less to accomplish whatever the goal was in Europe and the Med...

I wonder if he could win by cutting a deal with Toussaint Louverture?
 

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If the French wanted slavery innHaiti, which as their goal,

I wonder if he could win by cutting a deal with Toussaint Louverture?

If the French wanted to reintroduce slavery in Haiti, which was their goal because that's the only way to make plantation agriculture pay off at the time?

Probably not.

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Nah, not really. Unless the French try to go for genocide. Even then, they're at a drastic disadvantage in manpower and knowing the terrain. They can keep Santo Domingo however if General Kerversau isn't at the head of the French Army.

I wonder if he could win by cutting a deal with Toussaint Louverture?
You need Napoleon to change his thoughts on the economics of slavery. If he agrees to end slavery, extend citizenship and institute that sugar work must be paid than Toussaint might fold.

Only problem is that means the sugar output (and profit) in Haiti would noticeably drop. Not sure if he'd go for that.
 
Nah, not really. Unless the French try to go for genocide. Even then, they're at a drastic disadvantage in manpower and knowing the terrain. They can keep Santo Domingo however if General Kerversau isn't at the head of the French Army.


You need Napoleon to change his thoughts on the economics of slavery. If he agrees to end slavery, extend citizenship and institute that sugar work must be paid than Toussaint might fold.

Only problem is that means the sugar output (and profit) in Haiti would noticeably drop. Not sure if he'd go for that.
It's better than nothing unless the drop in profitability actually makes it a net deficit instead of a net surplus.
 
I wonder if he could win by cutting a deal with Toussaint Louverture?
He more or less had a deal before the invasion. Toussaint seems to have been perfectly happy to rule Haiti as a nominal French subject, while being de facto independent under Toussaint's personal rule. If Napoleon was willing to accept that (and continue the ban on slavery), things would remain more or less as they had been. Formal Haitian independence wasn't something Toussaint seems to have especially desired (although he operated a more or less independent foreign policy; trading with the US and UK and even discouraging slave revolts in their colonies). If Napoleon was willing to accept that level of token obedience, he probably could have maintained it until either Toussaint died or the Bourbon Restoration (who would likely have been even less keen on a self-governing colony ruled by a black revolutionary).

As for a military conquest? That's much harder. The attrition rate was astronomical, and the intervention in Haiti was one of the issues that led to the end of the Peace of Amiens, which meant the British would again interfere with French shipping to replace those dead soldiers.
 
Is there any way, after toussaint is capture and sent to France, that Napoleon can win in Haiti? I know he would be fighting General Yellow Fever, but is it simply a case of more men?

The only way he could win is if he reinstated emancipation. Otherwise, Haiti is lost,
 
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