Napoleon the II doesnt die

Napoleon the 2nd doesn't die and in 1848 he and his cousin Louis-Napoleon begin the 2nd french republic but Napoleon the 2nd becomes emperor as his father did and he than leads France along with his cousin to the Franco Prussian war what would happen would everything happen as OTL?
 
if Napoleon II did come to power, one would assume there would be a much closer relationship with Austria. we would probably not see the raise of Prussia and no German or Italian unification.
 

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if Napoleon II did come to power, one would assume there would be a much closer relationship with Austria. we would probably not see the raise of Prussia and no German or Italian unification.
Actually, it’s very possible that we see the Two Sicilies, Prussia, Spain, and the United Kingdom unite against a Franco-Austrian alliance. Not sure how the Ottomans and Russians react, but I can’t see Prussia losing unless France risks losing Britanny and the Northern Coast and the Pyrenees to the Spanish and British in exchange for the three allies invading Prussia.
 
Actually, it’s very possible that we see the Two Sicilies, Prussia, Spain, and the United Kingdom unite against a Franco-Austrian alliance. Not sure how the Ottomans and Russians react, but I can’t see Prussia losing unless France risks losing Britanny and the Northern Coast and the Pyrenees to the Spanish and British in exchange for the three allies invading Prussia.

And why should an austrian-french alliance be so threateing? In 1848 Austria needed Russian help against its hungarian rebels. Even if it allies with France its not that threatening to create a coalition against. Especially if neither (France) starts waging wars of conquests.
 
Napoleon the 2nd doesn't die and in 1848 he and his cousin Louis-Napoleon begin the 2nd french republic but Napoleon the 2nd becomes emperor as his father did and he than leads France along with his cousin to the Franco Prussian war what would happen would everything happen as OTL?

Why anything wouldn't change if Napoleon II instead OTL Napoleon III would become emperor? What would be even idea on question if history would go similar as in OTL since 1830's altough there would be different emperor? Surely NII would do some things differently than OTL NIII.
 
Why anything wouldn't change if Napoleon II instead OTL Napoleon III would become emperor? What would be even idea on question if history would go similar as in OTL since 1830's altough there would be different emperor? Surely NII would do some things differently than OTL NIII.

How can Napoléon II ever rule France ? No one in France wanted to recall the Bonapartes either in 1830 or 1848, even if the memory of Napoléon became more an more popular. It took Napoléon III a popular election and a coup to get to the throne, something an Habsburg-educated Franco-Austrian Duke could not even think of. Either there is a foreign intervention in France and Napoléon II is put in the throne by force (but no great power other than Austria has an interest in doing so), or Napoléon II's personality grows ASB-y political and schemer.
 

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And why should an austrian-french alliance be so threateing? In 1848 Austria needed Russian help against its hungarian rebels. Even if it allies with France its not that threatening to create a coalition against. Especially if neither (France) starts waging wars of conquests.
Yeah, I don’t see the two preventing Germany and Italy from uniting. If anything, Italy might end up getting Lombardia, Venetia, Tyrol, Istria, Savoy, Nice, and Corsica, and Germany getting Bohemia and Moravia, as well as Elsaß-Lothringen - more territory than either got in our TL. As it was, the only reason Germany couldn’t take Austrian territory was because of the threat of France. If it’s already in a war with France, then it could easily take Austrian territory, maybe even force Hungarian independence or at least Transylvania going to the Romanian Hohenzollerns. I don’t see this ending well for France, though Napoléon II may stay on the throne if the Germans militarily support him for a year or three and he successfully blames the military leadership and legislature.
 
Actually, it’s very possible that we see the Two Sicilies, Prussia, Spain, and the United Kingdom unite against a Franco-Austrian alliance. Not sure how the Ottomans and Russians react, but I can’t see Prussia losing unless France risks losing Britanny and the Northern Coast and the Pyrenees to the Spanish and British in exchange for the three allies invading Prussia.
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Why the hell would France cede those territories ?
Yeah, I don’t see the two preventing Germany and Italy from uniting. If anything, Italy might end up getting Lombardia, Venetia, Tyrol, Istria, Savoy, Nice, and Corsica, and Germany getting Bohemia and Moravia, as well as Elsaß-Lothringen - more territory than either got in our TL. As it was, the only reason Germany couldn’t take Austrian territory was because of the threat of France. If it’s already in a war with France, then it could easily take Austrian territory, maybe even force Hungarian independence or at least Transylvania going to the Romanian Hohenzollerns. I don’t see this ending well for France, though Napoléon II may stay on the throne if the Germans militarily support him for a year or three and he successfully blames the military leadership and legislature.
France was seen as having the dominant army at that time, so it might come that Piemont never gets its hands on Lombardy in the first place.
 
in my tl the grey I had Napoleon II survive and take over France in 1848 and a second round of Napoleonic wars starting in the 1860s
 
From what I've read about Napoleon II's life, he basically spent his post-Bourbon Restoration days under a loose form of house arrest, not allowed to be in charge of anything in Austria and not allowed to return to France. I suppose it's possible for him to have eventually given his handlers the slip, but in general, the Hapsburgs seemed really, really wary about the possibility. With that in mind, even if he'd gotten to France and taken over somehow, I don't think his neighbors would have given him a chance to rule.
 

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Why the hell would France cede those territories ?

France was seen as having the dominant army at that time, so it might come that Piemont never gets its hands on Lombardy in the first place.
France wouldn’t cede them, but the British, Spanish, and Southern Italian armies would be willing to engage France and invade those territories.

It was seen that way, but Prussia could have defeated it one-on-one, and certainly so if it’s supported by the British Empire and the two Iberian Kingdoms.
 
France wouldn’t cede them, but the British, Spanish, and Southern Italian armies would be willing to engage France and invade those territories.

It was seen that way, but Prussia could have defeated it one-on-one, and certainly so if it’s supported by the British Empire and the two Iberian Kingdoms.
Spain is by and large a country of the French sphere, relying on French funds to finance its industrialisation. Portugal, well, there is a Spain in the way.
And the British Empire wouldn't be so gung-ho about France attacking Prussia as long as they don't alter too dramatically the balance of power. And they certainly won't declare war over a mere alliance with Austria.
 

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Spain is by and large a country of the French sphere, relying on French funds to finance its industrialisation. Portugal, well, there is a Spain in the way.
And the British Empire wouldn't be so gung-ho about France attacking Prussia as long as they don't alter too dramatically the balance of power. And they certainly won't declare war over a mere alliance with Austria.
Unless Baldomero Espartero is Prime Minister and shifts France towards a liberal alliance, I can’t see the two allying. Napoleon II would probably remain friends with Anton Von Prokesch-Osten, marry Clémentine de Lafayette, if Sophie of Bavaria’s husband does not die in the 1830s, and ally with supporters of constitutional monarchy. He would probably be a supporter of national liberals, as in Italy and Germany, over the archaic Austrians.
 
Napoleon the 2nd doesn't die and in 1848 he and his cousin Louis-Napoleon begin the 2nd french republic but Napoleon the 2nd becomes emperor as his father did and he than leads France along with his cousin to the Franco Prussian war what would happen would everything happen as OTL?
Maybe he is installed as a King of Greece by the Habsburgs ?
 
From what I've read about Napoleon II's life, he basically spent his post-Bourbon Restoration days under a loose form of house arrest, not allowed to be in charge of anything in Austria and not allowed to return to France. I suppose it's possible for him to have eventually given his handlers the slip, but in general, the Hapsburgs seemed really, really wary about the possibility. With that in mind, even if he'd gotten to France and taken over somehow, I don't think his neighbors would have given him a chance to rule.

He might have been freed when revolution broke out in Austria in 1848.

And the neighbours accepted Napoleon III so wjy not Napoleon II?
 
He might have been freed when revolution broke out in Austria in 1848.

And the neighbours accepted Napoleon III so wjy not Napoleon II?

Rationally, I couldn't give you a good answer. That said, I still can't ignore that he was treated with more vigilance and suspicion than his cousin, even after the latter's two early attempts to take over France. Maybe if he'd lived until 1848, things would have changed by then.
 
How can Napoléon II ever rule France ? No one in France wanted to recall the Bonapartes either in 1830 or 1848, even if the memory of Napoléon became more an more popular. It took Napoléon III a popular election and a coup to get to the throne, something an Habsburg-educated Franco-Austrian Duke could not even think of. Either there is a foreign intervention in France and Napoléon II is put in the throne by force (but no great power other than Austria has an interest in doing so), or Napoléon II's personality grows ASB-y political and schemer.
i mean Napoleon the III was still related he was the son of napoleons brother doesnt matter they were both still Bonapartes
 
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