Napoleon"s "South American Empire"

Let"s say Napoleon doesn"t get pancreatic cancer, or any other misfortunes befall him. Could Lord Cochrance, granted he gets him free. Help him set up a South American empire? What would the ramifications for this be.
 
Napoleon could run around La Plata. San Martin would probably support him actually. Argentina + Uruguay + Paraguay + Bolivia + Chile = Empire of Platinea. What a nice wank :cool:

Napoleon actually expressed interest in going to Mexico and ruling there, which would be awesome.
 

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If he lives longer and becomes ruler of Mexico, which was proposed by the Mexicans at one point I believe, then the USA is in for a nasty, nasty surprise when the Mexican American War happens. He died in OTL about fiftyish and assuming barring that or the theory the British poisoned him with arsenic (Cochrane finding out and putting a stop to that is a good POD) he has another twenty years in him plausibly, leaving him alive when that happened.

I do not think the US would be getting Texas, California etc. if that is the case.
 
If he lives longer and becomes ruler of Mexico, which was proposed by the Mexicans at one point I believe, then the USA is in for a nasty, nasty surprise when the Mexican American War happens. He died in OTL about fiftyish and assuming barring that or the theory the British poisoned him with arsenic (Cochrane finding out and putting a stop to that is a good POD) he has another twenty years in him plausibly, leaving him alive when that happened.

I do not think the US would be getting Texas, California etc. if that is the case.

The USA of the 1820s or 30s wouldn't like Napoleon ruling on her border. This may result in a much earlier Mexican American War before Napoleon can organize Mexico's armies or a deal with Britain before Napoleon arrives where the USA gets buffer space in return for not starting any wars.
 

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Napoleonic Mexico if it happens would probably be a little before the US really got strong enough or paranoid to care, and he has experience improvising armies on the fly with some success. I think it was either Santa Anna or Iturbide who had the idea of making him emperor with some popular support for the idea.

It could really, really get nasty if he decides he wants the Lousiana Purchase back...
 
Napoleonic Mexico if it happens would probably be a little before the US really got strong enough or paranoid to care, and he has experience improvising armies on the fly with some success. I think it was either Santa Anna or Iturbide who had the idea of making him emperor with some popular support for the idea.

That's a massively big "if"!

It could really, really get nasty if he decides he wants the Lousiana Purchase back...

Napoleon himself has no claim on Louisiana. He might, as the liberator and 1st Emperor of Mexico attempt to convince the Mexicans that they have a claim to it, however, projecting enough power to press that spurious claim would take the power of billions of butterflies.
 
That's a massively big "if"!



Napoleon himself has no claim on Louisiana. He might, as the liberator and 1st Emperor of Mexico attempt to convince the Mexicans that they have a claim to it, however, projecting enough power to press that spurious claim would take the power of billions of butterflies.

I think, in this case, if Napoleon wants to go on the march, once again, as Emperor of Mexico, he'd be much more likely to take his army to the South. Of course, it possible that some Americans might turn to Nappy as a perfect ally. After all, he is no fan of the British Empire, and there are still many in the US who might find him an ally in such a case. Although Anglo-American relations during this period are certainly ... choatic.
How would Mexico fare with Napoleon I in charge? Certainly the army is going to be improved. But, does the Emperor, being the child of the Enlightenment that he is, try to bring in any sweeping reforms? If so, how will certain entrenched powers take this? I could see him being invited in, only to have the inviters deeply regret their actions in the near future.
I also wonder if Mexico might see some greater French immigration as a result of Napoleon assuming the throne. After all, there would be many Bonapartists that might flock to his banner, and he might be able to draw some of France's professional and educated class across the ocean as well.
 
If Napoleon takes over Mexico both the US and Britain will ally to kick him out soundly. The American government is not gonna let a man who almost conquered Europe sit idly by the southern border.
 
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