Napoleon eradicates Prussia
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A Prussia like that would really need Ducal Prussia to be stable; otherwise I don’t see it lasting that long.Othniel said:
Susano
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Not much different. But it depends, of course, on the congress.Wendell said:
Bu I can imagine a proces like that:
Great Powers say Prussia must be reestablished.
Austria isnthappy, but sees that its overvoted, so to say. But as compromise, they want to keep Silesia.
But if tehy get Silesia, Prussia needs to be compensated, too, so why shouldnt t get all of Saxony?
Austria of corue doesnt like that, and gives up Silesia for Saxonian territorial integrity.
Prussi ais still compensated for Poland with the Rhineland.
So, if events follow that train of logic, the only difference would be that Saxony doesnt get dwarfed,
Max Sinister
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I think Austria could accept a restored Prussia that only includes Brandenburg and Pomerania. Another middle-sized state like Hannover, Saxony and Bavaria. The Hohenzollern won't be that happy, but after Napoleon destroyed their kingdom - beggars can't be choosers.
(I was just wondering whether some states in Germany were restored at Vienna. I know of Hannover [but they were part of Britain than], Oldenburg [who were related to the Czar], and Braunschweig [not sure, but they could've be related to the British king too]. With noone to speak out for them, the Hohenzollern don't have such an easy stand.)
Then there'd be the question who'll get Rhineland and Westphalia instead of Prussia... Austria, the Netherlands, Hannover and Bavaria are the natural candidates. And maybe the Austrians dig out the old idea to get Bavaria and give the Wittelsbachs some other land instead.
(I was just wondering whether some states in Germany were restored at Vienna. I know of Hannover [but they were part of Britain than], Oldenburg [who were related to the Czar], and Braunschweig [not sure, but they could've be related to the British king too]. With noone to speak out for them, the Hohenzollern don't have such an easy stand.)
Then there'd be the question who'll get Rhineland and Westphalia instead of Prussia... Austria, the Netherlands, Hannover and Bavaria are the natural candidates. And maybe the Austrians dig out the old idea to get Bavaria and give the Wittelsbachs some other land instead.
Susano
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But Russia, France and GB would speak out for Prussia, Im sure! Theyd need a Great Power (not another middlesized domain) to counter Austria. And with the loss of Poland tzo Russia, there IS only the Rhineland which can Prussia make staying a Great Power. Therefore, I dont think thatll change.
Oh, and btw, the Nassaus and Hesse-Kassel were also restored.
Oth: Yeah, kinda like that indeed. Only that northern exclave of Saxony on your map never was saxon (even if it was part of teh Prussian province of Saxony)... it was some church land Prussia gained in 1803, when church lands were abolished. so I guess Prussia still will retain that.
Oh, and btw, the Nassaus and Hesse-Kassel were also restored.
Oth: Yeah, kinda like that indeed. Only that northern exclave of Saxony on your map never was saxon (even if it was part of teh Prussian province of Saxony)... it was some church land Prussia gained in 1803, when church lands were abolished. so I guess Prussia still will retain that.
Susano said:
It was the officer corps that led the Prussian army out of Napoleons service during the retreat from Moscow - whereas if they had acted as the politicians (well, king and his advisers) had wanted, they would have remained under French command. It was the officer corps that led Prussia away from French domination, not the politics of the time - mainly because the political command were under threat from what was, in effect an army of occupation.
Therefore, why they did it - and I posit that it was the rise in national feeling caused by Napoleons wars that caused them to break away from the Grand Armee - is vital in understanding the end of Napoleons Empire, as well as, in this context, what would have happened had the Prussian State been dismembered.