Napoleon, Emperor of Mexico

What if Napleon sized Mexico for France after the invasion of Spain in 1807, and what if he delayed the Lousianna Purchase to 1808 where by the US aggreed to defend Mexico from invasion as a condition of the territorial sales?

So after Napoleon's defeat, he abdicates the throne of French Emperor but retains his title as Emperor of Mexico and relocates there. Does the British invade Mexico?
 
When did Napoleon I ever take the title of Emperor of Mexico? I think you're probably getting Napoleon I and III mixed up first of all, secondly Napoleon III never took the title of Emperor of Mexico. Instead he offered the crown to the brother of the Emperor of Austria, Maximilian.
 

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When did Napoleon I ever take the title of Emperor of Mexico?

He didn't, but he's asking what if he did (with the future possibility of him escaping to there after he gets defeated or something). I would imagine there's the matter of the Royal Navy to deal with first before he can get that far though.


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He didn't, but he's asking what if he did (with the future possibility of him escaping to there after he gets defeated or something). I would imagine there's the matter of the Royal Navy to deal with first before he can get that far though.


Sargon
Oh I get it now. Sorry got the complete wrong end of the stick there...

I expect it'd come down to how the Mexicans feel about having:

  1. A monarchy,
  2. A French monarch
  3. The possibility of a war with Britain.
If 1 and 2 are okay then I expect the Mexicans may even beat the British off, if so may we see some revanchist Mexico that 'liberates' other Spanish colonies in the Americas?
 
Oh I get it now. Sorry got the complete wrong end of the stick there...

I expect it'd come down to how the Mexicans feel about having:

  1. A monarchy,
  2. A French monarch
  3. The possibility of a war with Britain.
If 1 and 2 are okay then I expect the Mexicans may even beat the British off, if so may we see some revanchist Mexico that 'liberates' other Spanish colonies in the Americas?

1] The conservatives will like this

2] The conservative will like that even more and Napoleon could draw liberals and moderates

3] not likely.
 
You guys are forgetting that the original independence movement in Mexico was fought in the name of the Spanish bourbons and Fernando VII against Napoleon and the French occupation of Spain.
Overall people would not like this in Mexico.

That is unless you either a) delay the news of Napoleon taking power until it is too late. Or b) have the independence of Mexico happen earlier so they are choosing a monarch around the time Napoleon needs to get out of Europe and have them offer him the crown.
 
What if Napleon sized Mexico for France after the invasion of Spain in 1807, and what if he delayed the Lousianna Purchase to 1808 where by the US aggreed to defend Mexico from invasion as a condition of the territorial sales?

So after Napoleon's defeat, he abdicates the throne of French Emperor but retains his title as Emperor of Mexico and relocates there. Does the British invade Mexico?

Very likely. They knew that Napoleon was trouble as long as he was in power anywere. And by that time the Americans would be hardly able to defend the place. Might even lead to a joint British-Spanish campaign against the USA itself.
 
You guys are forgetting that the original independence movement in Mexico was fought in the name of the Spanish bourbons and Fernando VII against Napoleon and the French occupation of Spain.
Overall people would not like this in Mexico.

That is unless you either a) delay the news of Napoleon taking power until it is too late. Or b) have the independence of Mexico happen earlier so they are choosing a monarch around the time Napoleon needs to get out of Europe and have them offer him the crown.

That's the key point. Napoleon can proclaim himself emperor of Mexico (very unlikely at the time, probably it would be rather emperor of New Spain, though I don't know why only of New Spain) but it wouldn't have practical effects. He has no means to make effective his claim, he would piss his brother Joseph and in the best case for him (if he can properly project power to Mexico, and that means changes in the haitian situation, for starters, plus the Royal Navy butterflied away, so very unlikely ), he would face a guerrilla war in the other side of the Atlantic as he faced in Iberia but with an ocean of distance. After his defeat he won't be recognised as emperor of mexico, unless you change the Treaty of Valençay (and there is not, a priori, reasons to do it if military actions go as in OTL), and still you have to convince the mexicans to accept him in the charge.
 
I'm afraid I don't think that scenario is possible or plausible.

Delaying or Suppressing the Louisiana Purchase would be possible if the French retain Saint Domingue (Haiti) as Napoleon could try to develop Louisiana as he had wished to. However, the US were eager to move westwards and Louisiana is in the way. That would be source of trouble for Napoleon later on. Not to mention Louisiana shares also a border with British Canada...

As for Mexico, there are little chances of Napoleon accepting the title of Emperor of Mexico or the Bourbons allowing it.
First, Napoleon was NOT the King of Spain after 1808 : he had given the title to his brother Joseph. This means Napoleon had no right on an hypothethical Mexican throne. It would be more logical if Joseph Bonaparte were to declare himself as Emperor of Mexico in hopes of gaining help from the Spanish colonies.
Second, Mexico supported the Spanish Bourbons against the French, depsite the fact they hated the way the Spanish (By this, I mean the people of Spain) were treating the Spaniards (the Spanish colonial people). Why? Because Napoleon and his brother Joseph were foreigners.
Lastly, Napoleon wouldn't be able to claim the title Emperor of Mexico after his defeat. One, he would have to get there, and the Royal Navy is in his way. Two, the Spanish Bourbons would want to keep their colony, no matter how ruinous it is to them. Three, there is the fact that he had no technical right to do so as he never ruled Spain or one of its colonies.
 
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