Napoleon doesn't turn on Spain and Russia

No, it will work because without the Grand Armee dying horribly on the retreat, then the German states will see nothing but slaughter waiting if they revolt.


You know, the whole being tired of being shot up for nothing. Especially when Napoleon and his empire is still as intact and the army just as dangerous and large as it was when they stopped fighting him.

Its like you think the continent will just happily bleed some more because Britain is mad. No, without the disaster of Russia, France and its allies can keep the boot on Europe long enough for it allies to have an investment it actually defending the French Empire. That and the mere threat of raising excessively large field armies against France is likely to be met with overwhelming force and the deposement by diktat of the dickhead who tried it.

Britain. And Austria. And Prussia to a lesser extent. And Russia isn't exactly happy either.

Napoleon deposing anyone who dares oppose him is going to cement this dislike, not shake it.

Im guessing that Napoleon will depose certain royalty and consolidate it under loyal leadership and crush revolts using both his Frenchmen and native troops.


And Britain will eventually be helpless as far as fighting on the continent. I wouldnt be surprised if Napoleon ended up working with Prussia to simply strip the Hapsburg family of its possesions if they continued to aid Britain. Hell, Russia might get on in some of that action.
Russia has no interest in Napoleon dominating the continent, however much they may not care for the Hapsburgs.
 
I think you have to back up a bit and have Napoleon decide on some alternative to the Continental System, it was counter-productive and a recipe for those kinds of invasions.
 

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Yeah but Russia doesnt have the security interest that Britain has or even Prussia/Austria.


And Prussia and Austria will want peace. Especially Prussia, which cannot keep fighting into eternity.

And while none of them like it, Prussia and Austria have already had there asses handed to them and without Napoleon's position being so severley weakened, they will want peace. And the longer there is peace with Napoleon in power, the more legitimate he will be by implication.

If Prussia has to join France to crush Austrian threats to peace, so be it. Same if reversed. Because while the Grand Armee stands and isnt wasted away, the danger it poses in open battle and to there lands doesn go away. Unless there is peace.

So basically, neither Prussia nor Austria will be interested in standing against a France which hasnt been so seve-


No.

Look, prove that Austria and Prussia both will attempt to dethrone and throw off the French yoke with Napoleon and the Grand Armee still at there Zenith and after having given up the fight.

Because its prety obvious that they revolted and raised new armies only after Russia withered the army to nothing.
 
Yeah but Russia doesnt have the security interest that Britain has or even Prussia/Austria.

It very much does. Napoleon dominating the continent is not good for Russia.

And Prussia and Austria will want peace. Especially Prussia, which cannot keep fighting into eternity.

And while none of them like it, Prussia and Austria have already had there asses handed to them and without Napoleon's position being so severley weakened, they will want peace. And the longer there is peace with Napoleon in power, the more legitimate he will be by implication.
France can't keep fighting into eternity either, but as long as Napoleon insists on unconditional and total acceptance of his will, he's going to face several angry powers looking for a chance to remove him from power.

And legitimacy isn't even what's at stake here. It's his hegemony that made Austria willing to fight Napoleon almost as stubbornly and consistently as Britain, not him as (essentially) a usurper.

If Prussia has to join France to crush Austrian threats to peace, so be it. Same if reversed. Because while the Grand Armee stands and isnt wasted away, the danger it poses in open battle and to there lands doesn go away. Unless there is peace.

So basically, neither Prussia nor Austria will be interested in standing against a France which hasnt been so seve-
Neither Prussia or Austria will be interested in accepting a France which is a threat to their interests.

No.

Look, prove that Austria and Prussia both will attempt to dethrone and throw off the French yoke with Napoleon and the Grand Armee still at there Zenith and after having given up the fight.
The Fifth Coalition took place after Napoleon's invasion of Spain, Prussia had fought Napoleon the year before said invasion, Russia fought stubbornly in 1807.

Because its prety obvious that they revolted and raised new armies only after Russia withered the army to nothing.
It's pretty obvious that they fought Napoleon tenaciously, stubbornly, and intently well before 1813.

And as long as the Spanish ulcer bleeds France's precious manpower, claiming the Grand Armee is at the height of its strength will be met with dubious looks.
 
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