Napoleon Didn't Invade Russia

Susano

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Unless I misremember things, it wasn't Napoleon who declared the dissolution of the HRE, although he DID figure quite importantly in the chains of events leading to this.

Yeah, he basically threatened Francis over it. Of course, hence Francis is to be blamed for cowardice, too.
 
16? Thats high. IIRC, the Habsburg had the same requirement (in high nobility, though, not just nobility, of course) for marriages! Either that or 32, but I think 16... so 4 generations spotless (high) nobility.

I may have misremembered.

I know his familly barely got the minimum number necessary to be recognised as noble by the french Ancien regime, and that because the french king was rather accommodating in recignising corsiacan titles. I'm sure that's how Napoleon managed to get into military school ( as poor noble ).

I though that 16 quarters were required to be acknowledged as noble under ancien regime, but I may be wrong.

Or both may be true but not apply to the same degree of nobility ( ie you may have required 16 quartiers to be recognised as a noble at Versailles but could be accepted as a noble in military school with less ).
 
Yeah, he basically threatened Francis over it. Of course, hence Francis is to be blamed for cowardice, too.

Ah?

I thought he was threatening Francis to get HIMSELF declared as HRE and Francis prefered to dissolve the Empire than to give that title to a Corsiacan parvenu.
 

Susano

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Im not entirely sure, tbh. What I know is that Francis was threatened, but my thought so far had been that this was so that Francis could not raise any claims on the Rhine Confederation, which after all was formed out of HRE seperatists... well, that, and because the HR imperial dignity would theoretcially outrank him in precedence in Europe.
 
Just to clarify my post. No nappy did not actually kill any kings, and his policies did stray quite a bite from the ideals of the revolution.

But he was seen as this upstart representing every thing bad from the revolution, and the empier (the French on) was quite liberal if we compare it with the absolutist regimes that is the norm in Europe at the time.
The man crowned himself emperor, and we can argue about the reasons for him doing so, covertly kidnapped and executed a noble, threw the current power balance and social order on the continent out of balance, deposed kings, was a ogre (and very short at the same time, even if his hight was ca the French average at the time).

I am talking about how he was seen, and not what actually was true.
 
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Anaxagoras

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just to clarifie my post. No nappy did not actually kill anny kings, and his policies did stray quite a bite forme the ideals of the revolution.

But he was seen as this uppstart representig every thing bad from the revolution, and the empier (the french on) was quite liberal if we compare it with the absolutis regimes that is the norme in europe at the time.
The man corwend himself emperor, and we can argue about the reasons for him doing so, covertly kindnaped and exceute a noble, threw the current power balance and sosial order on the continet out of balance, deposed kings, was a oger (and verry short at the same time, even if his hight was ca the french avarge at the time).

I am talking about how he was seen, and not what acctually was true.

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I though that 16 quarters were required to be acknowledged as noble under ancien regime, but I may be wrong.
I believe what you are referring to is "noblesse d'extraction", which essentially meant that one's family had been noble for the last four generations (in the male line). The French did not place so much emphasis on noble descent in the female line as other monarchies in Europe at the time--indeed, to be admitted to the court of Versailles, it was noblesse d'extraction that mattered. Besides, nobility could be obtained in such a number of ways that French nobles often fell into a number of different catagories (I suggest here if you're interested in the various complexities of the subject). Suffice it to say, it was a very complex issue.
As for Napol
éon, his family was descended in the male line from Florentine nobility legally recognized in Corsica (a majority of Corsican nobles were descended from mainland Italian families). After the French annexation, all those who could prove their legal status as nobles in Corsica (i.e. present patents of nobility) were naturalized as French nobles--a common action taken by the French government, just look at the various papal and imperial titles of nobility recognized during the ancien regime and you'll see what I mean.

(Sorry for the rant--and getting off topic--I just sort of figured the matter needed to be settled...:p)
 
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